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Old 10-23-2012, 12:23 AM  
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"We can't kill ourselves out of this mess."

Was it just me, or did Mitt Romney say something brilliant and prescient?

****ing applause for the man. Easily his wisest line of the entire election season.

Not even kidding.

Mitt Romney, talking about the war on terror, just rejected every ounce of neoconservativism, drone-reliant warfare of civilian casualties to kill battle-aged men in countries full of brown people.

This is something foreign policy doves have been saying since the turn of the millenia. To defeat terrorism, it is not enough to simply murder a requisite number of bad guys.

You've got to exercise a foreign policy that doesn't unnecessarily incite hatred in foreign countries, and turn down the heat on all the rhetoric and much of the unnecessary, counterproductive behavior that feeds recruitment for these foreign countries.

I think this was the best line of the debate. Bar none. And it's something that's been long overdue out of the mouth of a national-level Republican.

I think Obama won the debate and all that jazz, but credit where it's due. Romney found a winner of a line and an idea. I hope it finds a way to spread.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:45 PM   #136
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btw, it's Philistine, dipshit...the only leg the arabs have to stand on is the geographical term..I've already said statehood will be accomplished in the near future...

feel free to disprove what I've said...
1) The term 'Philistine' is NOT a geographical term, it is a PEOPLE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines


2) Yes I spelled it wrong, big ****ign deal...you don't know what it MEANS


3) The 'term' Philistine has absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with any claim the Arabs have on the land (yes, many Arabs also make this same mistake, so you're not alone)

4)Statehood will be accomplished, but not because of anything relating to Philistines.... it will be accomplished because of resolution 194, chapter 11 (from memory, I'll have to look this up) in the late 40's by the UN.


So pretty much everything you said is 100% wrong except for the speculation about them becoming a state , which has nothng to do with 'Philistines'


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Old 10-24-2012, 06:48 PM   #137
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1) The term 'Philistine' is NOT a geographical term, it is a PEOPLE
I already said that, try again.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:54 PM   #138
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I already said that, try again.
BZZZZZT WRONG, you said this:

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btw, it's Philistine, dipshit...the only leg the arabs have to stand on is the geographical term
And that is the only thing you are disputing in my post? LOL

That was easy...
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:56 PM   #139
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No, you said this:

No, I said Palestine is a geographical term. There is no such thing as a Palestinian RACE.

this isn't hard.
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Old 10-24-2012, 06:59 PM   #140
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Of course he wouldn't. It is Hypocrisy plain and simple. No one can look at the Hamas charter, then read the news TODAY (unprovoked) that Hamas is firing dozens rockets into Israel indiscriminately hitting farms and houses TODAY (unprovoked) and not connect the dots...
Yeah, it was somewhat of a rhetorical question, as I know Direckshun has no intention of answering it.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:00 PM   #141
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No, I said Palestine is a geographical term. There is no such thing as a Palestinian RACE.

this isn't hard.
Its not hard because I was the one who said that originally, and you completely ignore the other points in my post which point out what a dipshit you are.

Pointing out that Palestinians aren't a race of Philistene people (as a reason to deny them statehood) is a CLASSIC straw man argument...

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So you would rather insist that it isnt a race (which is an absurd argument) and then prove that (which is easy) rather than go into the OTHER details of why they have a right to become a state.

NO ONE BUT MORONS (LIKE YOU) are trying to make any claims for or against Palestine becoming a state because of a PHILISTINE connection.

It has ZERO bearing on this argument.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:04 PM   #142
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Its not hard because I was the one who said that originally
, is that about the time you butted into my conversation with gobowe..you know the one, where I said that Philistines haven't walked the earth in 2500 years? They were Greek, not Arabic.

your tantrums are cute, it's part of your SOP.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:05 PM   #143
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palestinian people?



a philistine hasn't walked the earth in 2500 years.
Just to show you you are an utter moron....

Here is where YOU make the connection between Palestinians and Philistines..

Take some responsibility, man up, admit you are a moron.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:06 PM   #144
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Fair enough with the exception I'm not sure how much you can trust aj.
aside from the occasional but understandable bias as an arab news outlet, i've found aj to be quite objective and very informative, no matter whose ox is being gored...

and their reporting in the arab world is worlds better (no pun intended) than the western press...

i'm pretty confident that it was a planned attack by militants, that there was no demonstration beforehand but may have been a crowd of onlookers afterwards and that one of the leaders of ansar al sharia was seen at the scene...

early reports are that the libyans are focusing on the ansar al assholes as the prime suspects but that there are other militant groups that could have been responsible, including the african affiliate of aq...
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:06 PM   #145
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, is that about the time you butted into my conversation with gobowe..you know the one, where I said that Philistines haven't walked the earth in 2500 years?
Yes but you went on to CONNECT it to the Palestinians....(which you convieniently FORGOT in your latest attempt at trolling..and no they were not Greek you dumb ass)

That is the point you crossed the line into Idiocy.
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aside from the occasional but understandable bias as an arab news outlet, i've found aj to be quite objective and very informative, no matter whose ox is being gored...

and their reporting in the arab world is worlds better (no pun intended) than the western press...

i'm pretty confident that it was a planned attack by militants, that there was no demonstration beforehand but may have been a crowd of onlookers afterwards and that one of the leaders of ansar al sharia was seen at the scene...

early reports are that the libyans are focusing on the ansar al assholes as the prime suspects but that there are other militant groups that could have been responsible, including the african affiliate of aq...
I'll trust your judgement.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:19 PM   #147
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the refugees were from Jordan, yes...Arafat and King Hussein both claimed Palestine was Jordan.

We had this discussion about a year ago.

Palestine as a geographical term? From Philistia, named by a Roman emporer to add insult and injury to the Jews.
Palestine as an anthropological term? an ethnic Philistine was Greek. They haven't existed for over 2500 years.
Palestine as a theological term? Judeo/Christian. Islam is not a Palestinian theology.

It's sad when you think how the Jews have attmepted to cooperate, yet to no avail...it's also tragic that Arafat, an Eygyptian, squandered millions sent to him from Europe to help the Jordanian refugees, and then magically created Palestinians, and blamed the Jews....don't you find it odd that they now are surrounded by billions of dollars, yet live in poverty?

...ever hear of Black September?
yes, i've heard of the irgun too...

arafat was a corrupt buffoon to be sure...

are you saying that palestine was really egypt and jordan rather than the territories of the palestinian mandate? what country was israel before partition? lebanon? syria? egypt? jordan?
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:24 PM   #148
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...they've had decades, not centuries, but didn't accomplish a statehood..it will happen in the near future, forming a false peace.
the palestinian territories have never really had the opportunity to develop statehood...

they've been occupied for most of the past two centuries by turkey or whoever and are now occupied by israel...

as long as likud is in power in israel there will be no peace agreement or even any serious negotiations...

similarly, as long as hamas takes such a confrontational role there will be no peace agreement...

and, frankly, i don't believe the extremists on either side will abide by any peace treaty, so there may never be normal relations between the palestinians and israelis...
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:26 PM   #149
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yes, i've heard of the irgun too...

arafat was a corrupt buffoon to be sure...

are you saying that palestine was really egypt and jordan rather than the territories of the palestinian mandate? what country was israel before partition? lebanon? syria? egypt? jordan?
Samaria and Judah, IIRC, it was labled as such in Encyclopedia Brittanica until the early Nineties.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:28 PM   #150
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speaking of daddys , tell V to keep up the good work!
he says if you mean being a good daddy, then thanks...

but if you mean having more kids anytime soon, he says no thanks...

btw, every chiefs fan vincent knows supports save our chiefs so it looks like the thirty-something group is with us...
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