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Old 10-25-2012, 06:02 AM  
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ZMA is the shit

Does anyone else here take it? Its Zinc, Magnesium, and B6. I take it right before bed and I get the best sleep ever. Hell, I've even had control of my dreams.

Waking up is super easy and overall I feel more like a man. Check it out if you.haven't already.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:57 AM   #46
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Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.
I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:57 AM   #47
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A 1200 total? I hope you're 130 pounds.

Sleep is the most important factor in recovery. You may can pull off a decent training session here or there with lack of sleep, but without a lot of solid sleep growth will be inhibited.
Just DL/SQ. Cant bench for another 6 months, just had 3 osteophytes removed from my left shoulders. Not nearly as strong as some of the beasts on this site, but not bad considering the injuries I've been through. Anyway..

I'm sure 8 hours would be better, but I cant remember for the life of me the last time I had that much. Everyone is different and what some people need to grow isn't the same as the next. People respond differently to different types of training, intensity, etc but as long as caloric needs are met, I think people can and will grow off low sleep. Not NO sleep, but 5-6 hours per night should b fine.

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Old 10-25-2012, 08:59 AM   #48
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Just DL/SQ. Cant bench for another 6 months, just had 3 osteophytes removed from my left shoulders.

I'm sure 8 hours would be better, but I cant remember for the life of me the last time I had that much. Everyone is different antd what some people need to grow isnt the same as the next.
Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:05 AM   #49
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Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.
But you still progress on your lifts as a insomniac, no?
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:07 AM   #50
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Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.
We have a place where I live that specializes in making custom tintures. I had them make one for sleeping and it was like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. You might want to try that if you are trying to stay on natural products. If you can't find a place that does cusom work like that I could refer you.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:09 AM   #51
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:11 AM   #52
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I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.

I had a similar experience using Plasma Jet from Gaspari, but not a fan of NO products as a whole. I do love me some stims though.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:12 AM   #53
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I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.
Does it have Yohimbe in it? That stuff always does the same to me.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:14 AM   #54
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Whats not to understand? Do you need a consistent 8hrs of sleep to recover? Nope. I've been eating my ass off and sleeping 4-5 hrs/night, and training 5 sometimes 6 times per week and recovering fine. Weights going up every week so whats complicated about that? Am I tired, hell yeah. Nothing a good pre-workout drink can't fix.
Then I'm assuming you plateaued long ago and you saying you're still adding weights every week is horseshit. When seriously weight training, sleep is most important factor when building/rebuilding muscle.
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I had a similar experience using Plasma Jet from Gaspari, but not a fan of NO products as a whole. I do love me some stims though.
The only thing I have from ON is the ZMA
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But you still progress on your lifts as a insomniac, no?
When my sleep is not going well, my training tends to be very up and down, sporadic. When I can get 10-14 days of great sleep in a row, it's off the charts every time.

Recovery happens at it's highest level when you sleep. So even if you have some decent training sessions on little sleep, you'd have even better ones on more sleep. If you can get 10+ hours in plus a nap, watch what happens.....
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Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.
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I am using Nitrix right now.
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