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Old 10-31-2012, 11:48 AM  
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Do you think Heaven exists?

As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?



Edit: I do appreciate all the kind words of support it does mean alot but I am not wanting this to be a sympathy thread so any argument for against is fine by me. There will be no offense taken. So have at it.

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Old 10-31-2012, 01:46 PM   #46
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:47 PM   #47
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There could be an afterlife, but the bible? no. I don't know and nobody does.
You don't know what it is but you're damned certain of what it isn't?
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:47 PM   #48
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:49 PM   #49
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You don't know what it is but you're damned certain of what it isn't?
Easy principle to follow.

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Old 10-31-2012, 01:50 PM   #50
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:53 PM   #51
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Easy principle to follow.

I don't know what spam is but I am damned certain it ain't steak.
Stick to what he said and I'm sure you'll agree that it's nonsense.

We know for certain what SPAM is and we can even use science to prove it.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:55 PM   #52
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According to the movie and my own opinion, it's in Iowa.

I have zero doubt. I can't prove it, I can't sell you on it, I just kind of know it. It's what faith is actually about. This has nothing to do with a specific church, it has nothing to do with a specific pastor. It has everything to do with the feeling when you are sitting in a tree at the edge of the woods when the sun starts to creep over the horizon and black turns to orange, pink and shades of blue and you just know it can't be an accident. I can't watch one of my kids sleeping and not know it to my core.

I can't tell you anything to make you feel better about your loss, I can't prove to you that there is or isn't. I can tell you that regardless of the unknown outcome, your ancestors are still with you. This very day I read a post on CP about a conversation I had with my grandfather that took me back for a few minutes to a place that felt good.


I'm not your preacher, I'm not trying to sell you any brand of anything. I'm just telling you to find a quiet place and a quiet time and silently ask the being who knows the answer. Then listen carefully.
Having faith is the hard part. I was born and raised in Missouri and I take the state nickname very literally.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:56 PM   #53
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Stick to what he said ...
He can't do that.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:58 PM   #54
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I know this much Dirk. If I'm wrong, I'll never know it so that's the benefit of my logic.


I can't prove anything for you, I probably can't say anything that will help you feel better, even if I wish I could. It's probably something you're just going to have to work out yourself and come to whatever conclusion you end up with. Either way, I hope you can find some peace with the loss of your mother.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:02 PM   #55
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First off and most importantly I am sorry to hear about your loss. If it provided her with comfort I am happy for that. I however do not believe in heaven~
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:08 PM   #56
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As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?
No but I sometimes think there is more to death than just death. I often think there is something mankind is missing in terms of both life and death.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:13 PM   #57
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He can't do that.
I don't feel this thread is the place to get into a pissing match. We can do that in any number of threads.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:14 PM   #58
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No but I sometimes think there is more to death than just death. I often think there is something mankind is missing in terms of both life and death.
Of course, Heaven and Hell.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:14 PM   #59
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Stick to what he said and I'm sure you'll agree that it's nonsense.

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Old 10-31-2012, 02:16 PM   #60
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I'm sorry for your loss dirk. It doesn't take much looking to realize it does exist. You said your mother had hospice care, you should ask them this question, I know the answer they will give you. I believe before your mother left this world there were others there while you were at her bedside to receive her. I figured this one out a long time ago.
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