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Old 10-27-2012, 09:53 PM  
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Official 2012-2013 NBA Thread

Looks like James Harden has been To the Rockets for Jeremey Lamb, Kevin Martin and future picks. Plus... this is a general NBA thread.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:29 AM   #226
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As a Magic fan, I can tell you Lakers fans you might get angry at Dwight from time to time. He's a great defender in the paint and a great rebounder of course, but offensively at times he just really sucks. He showed flashes last year. It seemed he had really worked on his little hook and his overall footwork. Sometimes he is just careless. He likes to hold the ball down low and gets stripped a lot. He pouts to the refs EVERY time he misses a shot or gets stripped (like a lot of players). Plus he's just straight up abysmal at free throws. A couple years ago his attitude just took a nosedive. He used to be a happy go lucky guy who seemed to really love the game and his teammates. Then he just became a diva.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:37 AM   #227
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i dont think that Dwight is the problem, it is the fact that Steve Nash can not play defense to save his life and they are not running a uptempo run and shoot offense, so Nash also cant play the half court triangle sets or isolation either.


there is a lot of good young point guards and combo guards in the NBA now, with tons of potential. And they are going to eat Nash up every game. (Collison and Lillard for example.) Guys like Kyrie Irving are going to shit on the Lakers for this very reason. Russel Westbrook is going to eat them up and spit them out
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:39 AM   #228
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those Lakers guards better learn some defense quick because they got crapped on by a rookie guard and Wes ****ing Matthews

and its going to be a long season if they are letting Damien Lillard put up 20 on them lol
They didn't bring in Nash because he was as good defender, and none of the rest of the Laker guards can defend. I'm not sure what you were expecting.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:40 AM   #229
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i dont think that Dwight is the problem, it is the fact that Steve Nash can not play defense to save his life and they are not running a uptempo run and shoot offense, so Nash also cant play the half court triangle sets or isolation either.


there is a lot of good young point guards and combo guards in the NBA now, with tons of potential. And they are going to eat Nash up every game. (Collison and Lillard for example.) Guys like Kyrie Irving are going to shit on the Lakers for this very reason. Russel Westbrook is going to eat them up and spit them out
No I don't think Dwight is the problem at all, I'm just saying...he will piss you off at times.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:45 AM   #230
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People were interested in seeing Harden with a full complement of minutes, and with the keys turned over to him full time. Um, I'd say he's validated the "one of the best 20 players in the league" statement some have made. Funny thing is, watching the game.....dude didn't even know the plays. They were telling him where to go on out of bounds plays. Otherwise, it was just free flowing pick and roll. Either he initiated or Lin initiated and they played off each other. If I'm a Houston fan, I'm ecstatic that I now have this team to watch every game. Damn fun team.
As I've said many times, Harden is an incredible natural talent and he has a very high BBIQ. His vision on the court is superb. Offensively, there shouldn't have been any question that he would excel with a new team. The question for him will be whether he can maintain this kind of effort over a full season (he often didn't in college when he was a #1, he got bored and lazy at that level at times). I doubt today's game will be a one-time thing or anything, but I certainly do think he was trying to prove a point and was more focused because of it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:49 AM   #231
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It's an interesting concept... you think there's no way they'd be better off without Harden. I can't possibly say that, but it is possible to have too many cooks in the kitchen. Someone eventually has to take charge, especially in the NBA. Notice how the Heat got over the hump when LeBron finally took control.

Although I've said all along I refuse to count out any team that has Kevin Durant. He is an unstoppable force.
OKC will be fine. Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka is probably enough to win at least 55 games by themselves. But Harden is a significant loss (2nd on their team in win shares). Nobody else on that roster can match the production that he was giving them last season..
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:51 AM   #232
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You mean isn't, I think.

Harden is a fantastic basketball player and well worth what he's being paid now. Unsurprisingly, he dominated tonight's game. OKC will miss his presence greatly.
They really missed his presence in the Finals.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:52 AM   #233
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They really missed his presence in the Finals.
I know. His no-show there was a huge reason why they lost.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:53 AM   #234
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As a Magic fan, I can tell you Lakers fans you might get angry at Dwight from time to time. He's a great defender in the paint and a great rebounder of course, but offensively at times he just really sucks. He showed flashes last year. It seemed he had really worked on his little hook and his overall footwork. Sometimes he is just careless. He likes to hold the ball down low and gets stripped a lot. He pouts to the refs EVERY time he misses a shot or gets stripped (like a lot of players). Plus he's just straight up abysmal at free throws. A couple years ago his attitude just took a nosedive. He used to be a happy go lucky guy who seemed to really love the game and his teammates. Then he just became a diva.
Dwight has a tendency to be soft at times. If he ever wants to win a championship, he'll have to get mentally tougher.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:55 AM   #235
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They didn't bring in Nash because he was as good defender, and none of the rest of the Laker guards can defend. I'm not sure what you were expecting.
I thought they brought in Nash to do what he's done his entire career incredibly efficiently and run the pick and roll. But Mike Brown.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:59 AM   #236
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And when everyone started playing the blame game after the trade — Harden shouldn't have been so greedy, Oklahoma City should have played it out for one more year, the trade never would have happened if Harden played better in the Finals, Sam Presti didn't get enough back, etc., etc., etc. — I kept thinking about those three guys with their arms around each other. Do you really want to break THAT up? Weren't these guys headed somewhere together? Wasn't that series, and that photo, part of the journey? Wasn't this like canceling a great TV series after one and a half seasons, like if Homeland just stopped right now and we never found out what happened to Brody and Carrie?

Forget about worrying whether Harden is a max player (and by the way, he is — 15 teams would have given it to him), or why Harden didn't play better in the 2012 Finals (um, James Worthy sucked in the 1984 Finals and turned out fine), or if it meant something that Harden didn't just blindly take less than what he's worth (when he had already sacrificed minutes, numbers, and shots to succeed on that team). Oklahoma City significantly hindered their chances of winning a title — not just this year, but every year. And they did it because, after raking in ridiculous amounts of money these past four years (including $30-35 million PROFIT during last year's shortened season), they valued their own bottom line ahead of their title window. A window that included the second-best player in the league, a top-10 player and a top-20 player … all under the age of 25.

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Old 11-01-2012, 07:23 AM   #237
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After his domination tonight against the Pistons I would say hell yes.
Typo on my part. He def is one. Meant to have isn't not is.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:06 AM   #238
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You mean isn't, I think.

Harden is a fantastic basketball player and well worth what he's being paid now. Unsurprisingly, he dominated tonight's game. OKC will miss his presence greatly.
Agree.

BTW I was rooting for your Raptors last night and they really should won that game. They have a chance to be a playoff team but can't blow games like last night.
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Harden is a max contract player. He earned it. The problem is OKC has 2 other max contract players, and his role on the Thunder was to provide bench scoring. You had 2 options. Trade Westbrook for a similar deal, and keep and sign Harden to start or what they did. It's a difficult choice to make. I could make a case for going either way.

Martin just needs to be a scoring 6th man off the bench with Maynor facilitating. It will take a while to get it going, but they will be fine. The goods news is they got rid of 3 players that can't play, and added an extra talented player. The trade can't be judged until the picks are used in some way. We will know in 3 or 4 years. Maybe sooner if the picks are traded.
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Harden is a max contract player. He earned it. The problem is OKC has 2 other max contract players, and his role on the Thunder was to provide bench scoring. You had 2 options. Trade Westbrook for a similar deal, and keep and sign Harden to start or what they did. It's a difficult choice to make. I could make a case for going either way.

Martin just needs to be a scoring 6th man off the bench with Maynor facilitating. It will take a while to get it going, but they will be fine. The goods news is they got rid of 3 players that can't play, and added an extra talented player. The trade can't be judged until the picks are used in some way. We will know in 3 or 4 years. Maybe sooner if the picks are traded.
My instance that Harden is a max player really isn't even about the trade because it's one OKC had to make because Harden needed to be paid like the star he is.

I think Durant really can score over 30 PPG this year.
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