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Old 10-31-2012, 11:48 AM  
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Do you think Heaven exists?
As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?



Edit: I do appreciate all the kind words of support it does mean alot but I am not wanting this to be a sympathy thread so any argument for against is fine by me. There will be no offense taken. So have at it.
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:23 PM   #91
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Where does the soul come from? No idea.

Where does rational thought come from?
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:24 PM   #92
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:43 PM   #93
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I find no logical reason to believe in "Heaven", or an afterlife or even a soul. Yet I find that we are all most assuredly interconnected. And I would have to be blind not to see and appreciate the unique nature of every human that I ever encountered. How is that even possible? Random chemical interaction combined with centuries upon centuries of evolution? I don't know. That is the best and most honest answer that I can give you. I don't know.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:06 AM   #94
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Anyplace is better than earth which currently is a hell-hole. JMO though.
Chin up dirk. Sorry for your loss.
JFC you are an idiot, this is the greatest time to be alive ever. No other period of time is even close. I wish I could live to be 200 to see all the cool and wonderful things happening now continue.

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Ahhh total agreement.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:12 AM   #96
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JFC you are an idiot, this is the greatest time to be alive ever. No other period of time is even close. I wish I could live to be 200 to see all the cool and wonderful things happening now continue.

Life is at its most awesomest!!
There are some close periods. Rome at the height of its empire during and after Augustus was pretty great. The Renaissance era was very good, too.

But yeah, post-19th Century America is probably the best.
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Do I believe there's a heaven with harps and angels? No. Doesn't mean I'm right though.

I do think there is another dimension or something though. I don't think once you die your 'soul' is gone.
Why is the thought of your intellect, which really is your soul, being gone so hard to believe?

Is it fear? Are you scared of not existing like before you were born? Very odd why any rational person would think they are going to live forever or would even want to. Its the anthropomorphic conceit at work.
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There are some close periods. Rome at the height of its empire during and after Augustus was pretty great. The Renaissance era was very good, too.

But yeah, post-19th Century America is probably the best.
No post 20th Century Earth is the best.
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No post 20th Century Earth is the best.
Depends on where you live. I'd rather be a 1st Century Roman patrician than a Syrian right now.
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Why is the thought of your intellect, which really is your soul, being gone so hard to believe?
do you have a soul, Dave...?
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:20 AM   #101
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do you have a soul, Dave...?
I have an intellect and that is my soul and my god. God is within us all, its buried deep inside each of us and it has nothing to do with books written by bronze age goat herders, or supernatural beings.

Its the part of your mind you can connect to via pray, chanting, mediation, peyote induced smoke lodges, or whatever your mechanism is. Mine happens to be the sky. It is my temple and entrance to my "soul".
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Depends on where you live. I'd rather be a 1st Century Roman patrician than a Syrian right now.
Depends on which Syrian of course. However it is possible to flee that hell scape. Maybe thats where BEP lives because the world and life are full of wonder even in a Nazi death camp or Syria.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:31 AM   #103
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I have an intellect and that is my soul and my god. God is within us all, its buried deep inside each of us and it has nothing to do with books written by bronze age goat herders, or supernatural beings.

Its the part of your mind you can connect to via pray, chanting, mediation, peyote induced smoke lodges, or whatever your mechanism is. Mine happens to be the sky. It is my temple and entrance to my "soul".
interesting, the first time I asked this, you said no.

so now, your intellect is your God?

...haven't you said elevnty billion times that God doesn't exist?

speaking of the sky, i'm pretty stoked about the sun setting between virgo and Leo on Dec 21....when the milkyway appears as a snake eating it's tail...wooohoooo! let's get this party started!
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Do I believe there's a heaven with harps and angels? No. Doesn't mean I'm right though.

I do think there is another dimension or something though. I don't think once you die your 'soul' is gone.
I definitely believe in another dimension because I do believe in ghosts.
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I definitely believe in another dimension because I do believe in ghosts.
d, there are thought to be 10 dimensions....this is but a shadow reality.
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