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Old 10-27-2012, 08:53 PM  
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Official 2012-2013 NBA Thread

Looks like James Harden has been To the Rockets for Jeremey Lamb, Kevin Martin and future picks. Plus... this is a general NBA thread.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:33 PM   #286
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crazy thing is the 2 guys are still very very young and not even in their primes really, Westbrook is what? 24? lol
No doubt, that's part of the fun of this is that we get to continue to watch them grow and develop. That's also why okcchief can get frustrated at times, but knows he's got two really good to great players to watch over the next few years.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:35 PM   #287
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Both can get to the rim at will...they're probably among the best few slashers in the league.
I remember hearing an interview of a well-known player (don't remember who it was) a couple of years ago where he was asked who the best pick up game/playground player is in the NBA. I thinking Rose, Jennings, Tyreke.....guy says James Harden. And this was before Harden was as well known as he is now. The interviewer was surprised, the player talked about how surprisingly athletic Harden was with sick handles.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:36 PM   #288
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No doubt, that's part of the fun of this is that we get to continue to watch them grow and develop. That's also why okcchief can get frustrated at times, but knows he's got two really good to great players to watch over the next few years.
It's just too bad it wasn't three.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:42 PM   #289
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:46 PM   #290
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OKC's ball movement and ease of offense just wasn't quite up to par today. Harden was a great facilitator and playmaker in a way that Westbrook and Durant simply aren't. He's really irreplaceable.
This game had nothing to do with Harden. The Thunder had games just like this last year with Harden.

You do realize Harden normally drove to the basket? He averaged 3.6 assist a game playing 32 minutes.

The problem is our bigs can't finish no matter who is passing them the ball. It's also the reason Durant, Westbrook, and even Harden go into hero mode.

The ball movement was crisp in the first half. They just weren't hitting shots. They had games that way even with Harden. Look how many shots Ibaka and Collison missed early. That's why the ball stops moving.

Yes, there are issues with the Thunder winning a championship, but people are focusing on the wrong one.

Ibaka has to play better or they have to find someone that can. Martin filled the role fine tonight.

Westbrook would have had the ball at the end of the game with Harden, and the result would have been the same. When the bigs hit easy shots the Thunder roll. When they don't things get interesting.

How many times has Westbrook been abused for the same thing in the past? This is nothing new.

It's not all his fault either. He can't trust the bigs to finish and Durant has problem getting open at times in crunch time.

To simplify it to they lost this game because of the trade is silly. If you watch this team on a nightly basis nothing new happened tonight.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:50 PM   #291
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To simplify it to they lost this game because of the trade is silly. If you watch this team on a nightly basis nothing new happened tonight.
I don't think anybody simplified it to that, but the offense was clearly a mess in the 2nd half. When Westbrook is struggling (and he does that occasionally such as tonight), there's just nobody exactly left to fill that offensive void (unless Ibaka develops more).
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:51 PM   #292
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:53 PM   #293
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Russel's play in the last 10 seconds was embarrassing. The pass was bad and the defense was bad.

I love the Thunder, but they are going to miss Harden. I already do.
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I'm not singling out you either because the media is doing the same thing. They keep saying they won without Ginobli. SA skull ****ed us twice in regulation last year -Ginobli.

The issue that needs to be addressed is an inside scoring presence. It would be the same with James.

Martin fills the role fine. Harden deserves more money, more playing time, and to be an all star.

Ibaka really needs to grow up quick.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:55 PM   #295
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Russel's play in the last 10 seconds was embarrassing. The pass was bad and the defense was bad.

I love the Thunder, but they are going to miss Harden. I already do.
The defense was bad for sure. I agree with Barkley on the pass. Durant was too passive.
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The defense was bad for sure. I agree with Barkley on the pass. Durant was too passive.
I didn't get to watch all of the game, but when I did, I saw Perk brick an easy shot. It's getting more and more difficult for me to watch that guy.
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I don't think anybody simplified it to that, but the offense was clearly a mess in the 2nd half. When Westbrook is struggling (and he does that occasionally such as tonight), there's just nobody exactly left to fill that offensive void (unless Ibaka develops more).
Martin had 15 and 5. Those are pretty much the numbers Harden would have. He was sitting on the outside wide open when Russ was driving wildly.

Russ and Ibaka played like junk, and KD played just ok. We lost on a last second jumper on the road to a team we have never best in the regular season on their home floor.

OKC has 18 of the first 24 games at home. If they start out rough then I'll worry.

If they want to win this year another move will probably have to be made. That with or without Harden. I think they can still win the West.

Miami with the extra outside shooters and LeBron/DWade penetrating is going to be close to impossible to stop for anyone with their current rosters.
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I didn't get to watch all of the game, but when I did, I saw Perk brick an easy shot. It's getting more and more difficult for me to watch that guy.
He's a terrible offensive player. You need him for basically 4 teams. They should be going small a lot more and giving PJ3 some minutes. Brooks is stubborn though so I won't hold my breathe.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:05 AM   #299
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Martin had 15 and 5. Those are pretty much the numbers Harden would have. He was sitting on the outside wide open when Russ was driving wildly.

Russ and Ibaka played like junk, and KD played just ok. We lost on a last second jumper on the road to a team we have never best in the regular season on their home floor.

OKC has 18 of the first 24 games at home. If they start out rough then I'll worry.

If they want to win this year another move will probably have to be made. That with or without Harden. I think they can still win the West.

Miami with the extra outside shooters and LeBron/DWade penetrating is going to be close to impossible to stop for anyone with their current rosters.
Agree on Ibaka, I expected him to come out better this season. Again, only one game against a good defensive team, but he looked much like he did last season. Settling for jumpers, no aggression offensively, and too many times on defense not being the presence you'd expect. That guy should be able to score 10 points off the offensive glass alone with his length and athleticism.

What bigs are out there that the Thunder to get before the trade deadline? I'd guess you're right, Presti isn't done with this season's roster.
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