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Old 11-02-2012, 06:33 PM  
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If Obama wins

I have a sinking feeling in my gut that he will win. My question to the Obots is where do we go from here?

The house will remain republican. And I expect the senate to be dem but not to the extent it is now. Harry Reid is a complete disaster as a leader and that wont change

How will Obama change in his second administration that will accomplish anything?

Business big and small has no positives to look forward to and in my opinion will settle in for 4 years of hell, freeze any plans to invest or expand and gird themselves for massive regulatory expansion. Banks are already moving to deal with Dodd Frank and that hits directly at the working class

What can we look forward to that is positive under another Obama term? He had divided oud country beyond any expectation. Will he even try to unite us?
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:19 PM   #61
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...this country is getting the leaders it deserves.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:41 PM   #62
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do me a favor and don't count my disagreeing with you as my being a neocon. I actually lean more left than I do right and voted for 10 dem to 9 repubs (absentee ballot). I do believe that all politicians are full of shit, and that the four years of obama and the four years of romeny are essentially the same thing minus a few issues.

If Romney could govern according to his preferences, I would agree with your assessment. However, a president has to have the cooperation of his own party to get things done once elected, and that party has certain expectations. Romney will have to tack right after the election to appease House Republicans and he hasn't shown enough commitment to any position to convince me that he would not be beholden to their agenda. I also think there would be significant differences in SC nominees. I think you would see significant differences in the outcomes of their terms, were we able to compare them side by side.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:44 PM   #63
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I think we'd be EVER SO SLIGHTLY (aka, 1%) better off with romney due to his business experience
that's kinda where i am it with my preference. i'm looking at it from the perspective of who will be better for and solidify the country for the decades to come. i think romney is the one for this term, not obama. like you, i'm not looking at it from a selfish perspective. they can't help me one way or another, but i want someone who can help foster an environment that people in general can work harder and smarter and claw their own way out of their problems. i think an executive businessman is the best choice for top executive of this nation, not a lawyer.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:50 PM   #64
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that's kinda where i am it with my preference. i'm looking at it from the perspective of who will be better for and solidify the country for the decades to come. i think romney is the one for this term, not obama. like you, i'm not looking at it from a selfish perspective. they can't help me one way or another, but i want someone who can help foster an environment that people in general can work harder and smarter and claw their own way out of their problems. i think an executive businessman is the best choice for top executive of this nation, not a lawyer.
They have always been the most successful presidents.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:56 PM   #65
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that's kinda where i am it with my preference. i'm looking at it from the perspective of who will be better for and solidify the country for the decades to come. i think romney is the one for this term, not obama. like you, i'm not looking at it from a selfish perspective. they can't help me one way or another, but i want someone who can help foster an environment that people in general can work harder and smarter and claw their own way out of their problems. i think an executive businessman is the best choice for top executive of this nation, not a lawyer.
I would think a lawyer would be a good choice because your dealing with, um, laws.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:00 AM   #66
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I'll try but I expect to be ridiculed by the r's for it.

  • Throw the tea party out. The extreme part of your party should not rule the party.
  • Those representives pledged to Norver need to remember who they are really pledged to.... the consitution and the people they represent. Those Bush tax cuts are history.
  • The Dems need to embrace entitlement reform. put a time limit on living on the goernment dole. Obama will have to deal with his extreme part of his party.
  • Work on tax incentives for small businesses.

We need a "grand bargain" to set us on sane fiscal course. They will need to spread the pain to everyone. Everyone will have to have skin in the game. Both sides of the party lines will need a super majority vote to pass the reform. It cover both political parties from the fall out.
Unfortunately, I don't think most of this fits into Obama's long-term plans.

But I do have to say this is a well-reasoned approach. You and I are on the opposite end of the center-line, but we can at least recognize the other's POV and what the other hopes to achieve. Excluding small business, for example, for a tax increase is very doable but both sides use the concept for their own purposes. If the can write 2600 pages to takeover healthcare, I'd think they could use 26 to come up with an equitable way to define what is business income subject to a lower tax and what is personal income subject to a higher one (though I still believe the private sector can get more bang for that buck I'd compromise if it meant some of the other things you listed - provided you could also sequester small business.

Of course one side would make examples that, while rare, would serve as the basis to not even try.

Partisan gridlock is usually a good thing, but we're fast approaching the point where it will be impossible to preserve our economic future no matter what the politicians do.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:03 AM   #67
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:26 AM   #68
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I would think a lawyer would be a good choice because your dealing with, um, laws.
don't both he and romney both have law degrees? it's pretty standard these days in politics.
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:47 AM   #69
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Oh hell I didn't know you were serious

Tea party? Really? We elect people through ballots not silly labels. Who woul you throw out that was elected by this so called tea party? If they got elected it was by a mjority of all not just republicans wake up. People get elected who may be different than you

Now, what does that have to do with what we can expect from Obama in his second term? Your answer is that we should expect squat unless conservatives are defeated?

Who is Norver?

Tax incentives for small business. Why? Do you think any business operates based on tax incentives? We had a bunch over the last few years . One was a fast depreciation if we bought a truck that weighed more than something. Why would i buy a 60 grand truck to replace my oaid for truck so i can have higher expense, more debt to service all for depreciation faster that I would get anyway?

God I am amazed at the stupidity of those who have never run a business tell those who. Have what is good for business
tax cuts for businesses don;t generate jobs
demand creates jobs
so stimulus to consumers?
wpa projects?
opening new markets, with out the free trade crap from china that has killed manufacturing?

back in 55 we were making thunderbirds
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:50 AM   #70
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I would think a lawyer would be a good choice because your dealing with, um, laws.
to know how to side-step them better? i know that's not all you look for in a president.

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example? none? this one is also a governor with some amount of success. and the last few governors who became presidents weren't too shabby.

our choices are kind of narrow
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:37 AM   #71
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There is no enthusiasm for Romney. Just hatred for Obama. You can't beat Obama by hating him. Hillary tried that. She lost. McCain tried it. He lost. Romney tried it. He's been destined to lose from the beginning.

You have to believe in something and build a coalition around it and convince people that their lives and this country will be better if they help out. That's how Obama won, and he's winning re-election on the strength of his first campaign, not his woeful second campaign.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:39 AM   #72
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I came in the DC threads for the first time just now because I thought there might be some interesting political conversation just days before the election.

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Interesting conversations only happen here during off election years. I've been a contributing member of this forum since its inception, and I've learned well enough to stay mostly away from August to November during the election except to pick up and drop off soundbites.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:53 AM   #74
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Interesting conversations only happen here during off election years. I've been a contributing member of this forum since its inception, and I've learned well enough to stay mostly away from August to November during the election except to pick up and drop off soundbites.
true words. but either way it goes, it won't be pretty around here for quite a while
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true words. but either way it goes, it won't be pretty around here for quite a while
watching the trolls from the winning side and seeing the conspiracy theories from the losing side will be fun
but nothing useful
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