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Old 11-05-2012, 03:56 PM  
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So after a fairly long period of dithering, I'm going to vote for Romney and, less surprisingly, Scott Brown. The vote for Romney is, of course, wasted, as Massachusetts will go into Obama's column.

I could go on and on as to why, but essentially it boils down to this -- I've long stated that I want moderate candidates who have a more business-like approach to running government. I want them to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Under the current circumstances, I think it's even more important that we start being fiscally conservative (though not in a dramatic fashion such that the tepid recovery is undermined), and pro-business in order to encourage growth. I also cross my fingers that Mitt won't simply cave to the religious right and social conservatives to keep them in line. I know that his personal policies on such matters are, well, wishy-washy at best.

In voting for Romney, I'm not really rejecting Obama, as I don't think he's done such a bad job. He's had brutal circumstances, etc. I just think Mitt is the better candidate under the current circumstances.

And, frankly, I sorta feel like if I don't vote for Romney, then I might as well just admit I'd never vote for a Republican for POTUS. Usually their candidate is further to the right than I am comfortable with. Having nominated a more moderate candidate, I should reward that effort. Or something like that.

As for Brown, it's a relatively moderate Republican versus a die-hard liberal. I'll take the moderate.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:49 PM   #31
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My fear, Amno, is that your vote rewards the Republican Party for its total obstinence and refusal to work with the President.
What's wrong with that?
They wouldn't have been elected if most wanted Obama's policies. That's the checks and balances that supposed to do that. Spending though, originates in the House — not with a president. The House will remain Republican.

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I fear your vote further reinforces that that's how the GOP should function during Democratic administrations.
This is why the budget was in better shape under Clinton. We need such checks.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:51 PM   #32
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Takes two to work.

He did his end. The GOP spent his first two years running away from positions they previously held to avoid working with him.
Mr. "I don't want (Republicans) to do a lot of talking" wasn't able to catch flies with vinegar? Probably just need more vinegar.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:52 PM   #33
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Oh, and not that anyone on this board cares, but YES to right to die in Massachusetts and YES to medical marijuana in Massachusetts (noting that I've never tried pot in my entire life, and yes I'm serious).
Well, we agree on every position you've discussed in this thread.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:54 PM   #34
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Hey if you have something to add, we've got a thread you can use.
I take it you haven't read or heard about Woodward's book, eh?
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:55 PM   #35
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Oh, and not that anyone on this board cares, but YES to right to die in Massachusetts and YES to medical marijuana in Massachusetts (noting that I've never tried pot in my entire life, and yes I'm serious).
I am pretty hard right and I support medical marijuana and I haven't smoked in 20+ years but if I ever get out of this damn truck I am prolly gonna buy me a big sack, roll up a couple hog legs and pass the **** out.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:55 PM   #36
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My fear, Amno, is that your vote rewards the Republican Party for its total obstinence and refusal to work with the President.

I fear your vote further reinforces that that's how the GOP should function during Democratic administrations.
A vote for Barack Obama rewards a campaign based on excuse-making and focused on small, divisive issues at a time when we face big problems. He's making the right choice as so many moderates/independents seem to be doing. Scared yet?

Edit: Well, duh, your post leads off with an admission of fear so you can disregard my question.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:57 PM   #37
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My fear, Amno, is that your vote rewards the Republican Party for its total obstinence and refusal to work with the President.
Is this not a bit hypocritical?

Did the democrats work with GWB? I seem to recall quite a bit of name calling, divisive behavior, and the same BS party line politics.

I think its shameful how liberals seem to think shit only runs one way.

This right here is why I left the Democratic party, I cant stand a lot of things...but Hypocrites are the worst.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:59 PM   #38
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Is this not a bit hypocritical?

Did the democrats work with GWB? I seem to recall quite a bit of name calling, divisive behavior, and the same BS party line politics.

I think its shameful how liberals seem to think shit only runs one way.

This right here is why I left the Democratic party, I cant stand a lot of things...but Hypocrites are the worst.
It's also an amazingly dishonest or ignorant statement. But, hey, it's Direckshun on election eve.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:10 PM   #39
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My fear, Amno, is that your vote rewards the Republican Party for its total obstinence and refusal to work with the President.

I fear your vote further reinforces that that's how the GOP should function during Democratic administrations.
Yeah, that's your fear.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:16 PM   #40
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Yeah, he never said that.
Really?

Harry Reid to Romney: Senate Dems Won't Work With You
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...-Work-With-You

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Old 11-05-2012, 06:21 PM   #42
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Really?

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...-Work-With-You

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You just knocked him the **** out man
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:23 PM   #44
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Takes two to work.

He did his end. The GOP spent his first two years running away from positions they previously held to avoid working with him.
He didn't HAVE to work with them. The Democrats had all of the votes they needed. They could have put through anything they wanted.

Here's the little secret - they don't WANT to do anything, other than continue to get elected.
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Old 11-05-2012, 06:27 PM   #45
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He didn't HAVE to work with them. The Democrats had all of the votes they needed. They could have put through anything they wanted.

Here's the little secret - they don't WANT to do anything, other than continue to get elected.
Yep. Or, as Obama's then chief of staff said, "**** 'em. We've got the votes."
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