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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:13 AM   #31
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There is going to have to be a middle ground...

ANd I take hope becuase some of the best things in the world have come from a middle ground between two philosophies, like the Constitution was the greatest example of this.

Not saying this congress is going to do anything remotely awesome, but yah...I'm down to hope for compromise.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:14 AM   #32
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I would go for that.

We also need to beef up border security, I don't know if a fence is the best idea maybe something more advanced like smart borders.

I have been a firm supporter of using the military but that will never happen with Obama.
Bam...compromise reached

If we require national ID cards for employment, border security becomes a separate issue. I don't want to entangle two issues that can, and should, be addressed individually.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:14 AM   #33
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I agree with you regarding deportation to an extent. I would propose amnesty to anyone currently here if they have a clean record. For those who have been working here using fraudulent ID, I would assess them a nominal fine (mostly symbolic).

I would also like to implement a national ID card for all workers.
While I dont agree with Amnesty, i do agree that this needs to be addressed. What baffles me is how the Republicans completely ignored it and overwhelmingly lost the latino vote.

Latinos don't care about Obama. They don't care that he's black (like black people do), they're going to vote for the guy who actually takes the time to acknowledge them and put forth the effort to fix this problem.

If Romney would've came out and said Immigration reform was a priority, and gave an outline on how he could make a pathway to citizenship for these people, he would've won the Latino vote.

Instead, he ignored them. Naturally, they vote Obama for the small pin hole sized light of hope that he gives them, opposed to Romney who did nothing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:15 AM   #34
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While I dont agree with Amnesty, i do agree that this needs to be addressed. What baffles me is how the Republicans completely ignored it and overwhelmingly lost the latino vote.

Latinos don't care about Obama. They don't care that he's black (like black people do), they're going to vote for the guy who actually takes the time to acknowledge them and put forth the effort to fix this problem.

If Romney would've came out and said Immigration reform was a priority, and gave an outline on how he could make a pathway to citizenship for these people, he would've won the Latino vote.

Instead, he ignored them. Naturally, they vote Obama for the small pin hole sized light of hope that he gives them, opposed to Romney who did nothing.
Agreed. That's what this thread is about.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:16 AM   #35
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Bam...compromise reached

If we require national ID cards for employment, border security becomes a separate issue. I don't want to entangle two issues that can, and should, be addressed individually.
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I always been a fan of national ID as well. That won't happen either though because the left won't like it as well as libertarians.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:19 AM   #36
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Just because Romney narrowly lost the population vote means the Reps don't have to abandon their core beliefs......government needs to live within its means.

Either all tax cuts expire at 12/31 or all don't; no more class warfare.

A ratio of 5 or 10 to 1 cuts to revenue increase through a flatter income tax; means testing for SS and Medicare entitlements; work towards fair flat tax for everyone.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:20 AM   #37
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:23 AM   #38
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I always been a fan of national ID as well. That won't happen either though because the left won't like it as well as libertarians.
If the hard left and the hard right don't like it, maybe that's a good thing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:23 AM   #39
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I'm concerned about specific items.

I'm concerned about the escalation of the national debt for entitlement programs and political glad handing projects for votes.

The fiscal cliff.......the national budget...........national debt. Address those.

I'm concerned, probably my biggest concern about the SCOTUS nominees that will be appointed during this term. This is the area where I think the POTUS can do the most harm as I see it.

I'm concerned about tax policies, not because I'm wealthy and anticipate a hit, but because I want this economy to rebound and I am in complete disagreement with the Obama strategy.

I'm concerned about the ever increasing burden on the producers in this country by those who choose NOT to pull their weight, as evident in the large expansion of welfare recipients. If you can afford an Iphone...I don't need to feed and house you.

I'm concerned about our position and reputation in the world. Weakness is not what I'd prefer our nation show in negotiations with harder nosed countries. Bending to Vladmir Putin on missile defense and China trade policy being among the biggest concerns.

Obama has confirmed his views on the 2nd amendment and gun control. This is an area where his decisions and appointments to the SCOTUS are the most concerning to me.

The farm bill should now be addressed, since the election is over and now politicians can let their balls back out of their cavity. This bill affects so many issues, and there needs to be serious reform in welfare and subside payments where they aren't needed.

Now that he's not campaigning, it would be nice to see Obama pay attention and demonstrate some of that Transparency he's talked about but not followed through on........start with Fast and Furious and Libya.


Convince me these are issues I should not be concerned about, and I'll start being a little less angry and disappointed in last nights' outcome. Gridlock is the best thing that can happen.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:27 AM   #40
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Can we all atleast agree, that Andrea Tantaros on Fox news needs some sweet, sweet lovin?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:28 AM   #41
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I agree with you regarding deportation to an extent. I would propose amnesty to anyone currently here if they have a clean record. For those who have been working here using fraudulent ID, I would assess them a nominal fine (mostly symbolic).

I would also like to implement a national ID card for all workers.
I'd be all for this.

And I'm not sure where you stand personally as a R on the social issues. The entire party has to re-asses and reset the way they think there. Your cousin Saulbadguy said it best in the other thread how Republicans are completely out of touch with the populace with their thinking. Their stances (mostly) would have been nails 30+ years ago. Not so much today.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:29 AM   #42
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Can we all atleast agree, that Andrea Tantaros on Fox news needs some sweet, sweet lovin?
Yes.

Compromise. Country moving forward.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:31 AM   #43
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I'd be all for this.

And I'm not sure where you stand personally as a R on the social issues. The entire party has to re-asses and reset the way they think there. Your cousin Saulbadguy said it best in the other thread how Republicans are completely out of touch with the populace with their thinking. Their stances (mostly) would have been nails 30+ years ago. Not so much today.
Make me an offer. No reasonable suggestions are refused. I'm wheeling and dealing right here on the Senate floor.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:33 AM   #44
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If you want to compromise with me and make me agree that raising taxes we can find common ground.

I'll accept some tax increases, for myself and for the wealthy in exchange for at least a 2-1 budget cut for every dollar increased and reduced welfare benefits and requirements that people who can work, do.



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The fiscal cliff the big one and I believe that a lot of us over the last couple of years have called for tax increases, major spending cuts, defense cuts and entitlement reform.

The tax increases are the deal breaker for Reps though.

Everything should be on the table.
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I always been a fan of national ID as well. That won't happen either though because the left won't like it as well as libertarians.
We have national ID cards now, they're called passports.
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