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GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:30 AM   #136
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Again, please give specifics.

Full-blown amnesty for illegals? Dream Act openly supported?
Yes on the DREAM Act and probably yes on amnesty with a penalty and go back in line.

Romney was against both of those as was the GOP. He wanted self-deportation.

I would also add the GOP and Romney loved the Arizona law...that really pissed off alot of Hispanics.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:34 AM   #137
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I think most people are or would be in support of reinstating the Brady act. They could modify it to make more appeasing but then again I just don't think the right would ever go for it.
I don't think you're getting an accurate feel for the electorate as it’s been trending in the exact opposite direction for a few years now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:40 AM   #138
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Before I get into this, I want to state for the record that I am a white male in my mid 30’s.

The GOP has failed, and will continue to fail until change actually happens. As of now, the perception of the Republican Party is as stated in the OP, old, angry white men. The truth is there are Republicans of all ages, ethnicities and orientations. The problem is that they still tout the angry, old white male philosophies.

Take a look at the big time social issues:

• Global Warming. False, nothing more than liberal propaganda. Even if true, then fantastic, we are one step closer to living with in God’s domain.

• Science. False. My bible tells me everything that I need to know. Jesus rode dinosaurs btw.

• Civil rights:
Glass ceiling for woman in the work place
Racism is alive and well.
Gay marriage is absolutely offensive to most Republicans

• Women are the dumbest creatures on the planet. They don’t know what to do with their bodies, and they need us men to tell them how it should be.
See birth control
See abstinence
See “legitimate rape” and “God’s Gift Rape”
See Abortion

Those are just several of the main points that came up during this election. Like it or not, true or not, the perception of the GOP, created by the GOP is that they are a bunch of hate mongering, xeno and homophobic ignorant assholes.

Well guess what. My generation is coming into power soon. Another 10 years, and my generation will be the ones controlling things, not our parent's and certainly not our grandparent’s generations. And with every new generation, tolerance and acceptance becomes more and more the everyday norm. And with every new generation that takes control, the above points and ones similar in nature will become anathema to this country.

If the GOP would like to survive the coming years, they had best figure out how to stop being so far right, and start getting back in touch with mainstream America. There is nothing wrong with, quite the opposite actually with being a conservative. But being a conservative is hardly a cornerstone of the Republican Party at this time. The angry, old white vote is dying, and if the GOP is not careful, it’s relevance will die with them.



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Old 11-07-2012, 10:42 AM   #139
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I'm not really defending anything. What sort of addressing do you think the GOP could have done to win the Latino vote?
The Dream act would be a damn good start. Obviously amnesty would do it, but we can all admit that Amnesty wouldn't be smart and the majority of the country likely wouldn't support it, therefore lets throw that out the window.

I don't have the answers, if i did i would be far more involved in politics. That's their job to figure out. But you have to start somewhere and at least pretend that you care about them.

That's all Obama had to do. Give them SOMETHING to make them believe that you have their back.

Romney did absolutely nothing to win the latino vote. And over the course of the last 4 years, i think it's pretty damn evident that Republican's have regressed in that field.

I find it funny when people say Romney should've been MORE conservative. The conservatives are going to vote for Romney regardless because he's still more conservative than Obama. Being even MORE conservative isn't going to win over those who are on the fence.
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Before I get into this, I want to state for the record that I am a white male in my mid 30’s.

The GOP has failed, and will continue to fail until change actually happens. As of now, the perception of the Republican Party is as stated in the OP, old, angry white men. The truth is there are Republicans of all ages, ethnicities and orientations. The problem is that they still tout the angry, old white male philosophies.

Take a look at the big time social issues:

• Global Warming. False, nothing more than liberal propaganda. Even if true, then fantastic, we are one step closer to living with in God’s domain.

• Science. False. My bible tells me everything that I need to know. Jesus rode dinosaurs btw.

• Civil rights:
Glass ceiling for woman in the work place
Racism is alive and well.
Gay marriage is absolutely offensive to most Republicans

• Women are the dumbest creatures on the planet. They don’t know what to do with their bodies, and they need us men to tell them how it should be.
See birth control
See abstinence
See “legitimate rape” and “God’s Gift Rape”
See Abortion

Those are just several of the main points that came up during this election. Like it or not, true or not, the perception of the GOP, created by the GOP is that they are a bunch of hate mongering, xeno and homophobic ignorant assholes.

Well guess what. My generation is coming into power soon. Another 10 years, and my generation will be the ones controlling things, not our parent's and certainly not our grandparent’s generations. And with every new generation, tolerance and acceptance becomes more and more the everyday norm. And with every new generation that takes control, the above points and ones similar in nature will become anathema to this country.

If the GOP would like to survive the coming years, they had best figure out how to stop being so far right, and start getting back in touch with mainstream America. There is nothing wrong with, quite the opposite actually with being a conservative. But being a conservative is hardly a cornerstone of the Republican Party at this time. The angry, old white vote is dying, and if the GOP is not careful, it’s relevance will die with them.



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Yeah, that's exactly how they think and feel
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:46 AM   #141
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Yeah, that's exactly how they think and feel
It appears your party has a pr problem.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:48 AM   #142
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Before I get into this, I want to state for the record that I am a white male in my mid 30’s.

The GOP has failed, and will continue to fail until change actually happens. As of now, the perception of the Republican Party is as stated in the OP, old, angry white men. The truth is there are Republicans of all ages, ethnicities and orientations. The problem is that they still tout the angry, old white male philosophies.

Take a look at the big time social issues:

• Global Warming. False, nothing more than liberal propaganda. Even if true, then fantastic, we are one step closer to living with in God’s domain.

• Science. False. My bible tells me everything that I need to know. Jesus rode dinosaurs btw.

• Civil rights:
Glass ceiling for woman in the work place
Racism is alive and well.
Gay marriage is absolutely offensive to most Republicans

• Women are the dumbest creatures on the planet. They don’t know what to do with their bodies, and they need us men to tell them how it should be.
See birth control
See abstinence
See “legitimate rape” and “God’s Gift Rape”
See Abortion

Those are just several of the main points that came up during this election. Like it or not, true or not, the perception of the GOP, created by the GOP is that they are a bunch of hate mongering, xeno and homophobic ignorant assholes.

Well guess what. My generation is coming into power soon. Another 10 years, and my generation will be the ones controlling things, not our parent's and certainly not our grandparent’s generations. And with every new generation, tolerance and acceptance becomes more and more the everyday norm. And with every new generation that takes control, the above points and ones similar in nature will become anathema to this country.

If the GOP would like to survive the coming years, they had best figure out how to stop being so far right, and start getting back in touch with mainstream America. There is nothing wrong with, quite the opposite actually with being a conservative. But being a conservative is hardly a cornerstone of the Republican Party at this time. The angry, old white vote is dying, and if the GOP is not careful, it’s relevance will die with them.



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This is absolutely the truth. Extreme Right wing will deny, deny deny. They have to understand that they can still be conservative AND update their philosophies.

But these ARE the issues killing the GOP.

A few days ago i was talking a little bit of politics with a 25 y/o female who said she was a Democrat. So i asked her a few fundamental questions and as it turned out, she identified far more as a Republican than a Democrat.

So why did she think she was a democrat? Because she thought of the Republican party as a bunch of Old, rich white men who were out of touch on social issues. As a lower income woman, she thought of herself as the opposite of Republican. Fundamentally, she agreed with Republicans. But because of the stigma of WHO republicans are, she thought of herself as a Demo.

She voted Demo, btw.

Image problem in a nut shell.
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Before I get into this, I want to state for the record that I am a white male in my mid 30’s.

The GOP has failed, and will continue to fail until change actually happens. As of now, the perception of the Republican Party is as stated in the OP, old, angry white men. The truth is there are Republicans of all ages, ethnicities and orientations. The problem is that they still tout the angry, old white male philosophies.

Take a look at the big time social issues:

• Global Warming. False, nothing more than liberal propaganda. Even if true, then fantastic, we are one step closer to living with in God’s domain.

• Science. False. My bible tells me everything that I need to know. Jesus rode dinosaurs btw.

• Civil rights:
Glass ceiling for woman in the work place
Racism is alive and well.
Gay marriage is absolutely offensive to most Republicans

• Women are the dumbest creatures on the planet. They don’t know what to do with their bodies, and they need us men to tell them how it should be.
See birth control
See abstinence
See “legitimate rape” and “God’s Gift Rape”
See Abortion

Those are just several of the main points that came up during this election. Like it or not, true or not, the perception of the GOP, created by the GOP is that they are a bunch of hate mongering, xeno and homophobic ignorant assholes.

Well guess what. My generation is coming into power soon. Another 10 years, and my generation will be the ones controlling things, not our parent's and certainly not our grandparent’s generations. And with every new generation, tolerance and acceptance becomes more and more the everyday norm. And with every new generation that takes control, the above points and ones similar in nature will become anathema to this country.

If the GOP would like to survive the coming years, they had best figure out how to stop being so far right, and start getting back in touch with mainstream America. There is nothing wrong with, quite the opposite actually with being a conservative. But being a conservative is hardly a cornerstone of the Republican Party at this time. The angry, old white vote is dying, and if the GOP is not careful, it’s relevance will die with them.



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Thanks for writing what I didn't have time for. The GOP has become the party of ignorance and intolerance. I'm willing to deal with a more keynsian economic approach if that's what it takes to keep science deniers, xenophobes, racists and masogonists out of power.

I'll also add that I'm a white male in my mid 30s with business and economics related degrees who voted for GWB twice. The GOP does nothing for me now.
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These last few posts are interesting, because what they are essentially saying is, "It's NOT the economy, stupid."

So, is that the case? Are we in a post-economic society where people see the economic malaise as being so unassailable, that it's a moot issue at this point?
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Yeah, that's exactly how they think and feel
Why don't you go and que up all the footage over just election of Romney and fellow GOPers. Then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
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Anybody who compares these two things is a fool. Not at all surprised that you did it.

Let's see, what's more important to me:

1. Being able to defend myself, my family, my home and my stuff.

2. Butting into the lives of people I'll never meet and don't give a shit about and telling them they've gotta have that baby because apparently it's in the bible somewhere. And GOD SENDING THEM TO HELL FOREVER just isn't punishment enough, either.

****ing retards. EVERYWHERE. RETARDS. **** WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY.
What you fail to understand....I am talking about AS A POLITICAL ISSUE, to be used by the party. Not any phony moral equivalence you imagine me implying.

Of course, there is little similarity otherwise. However, not understanding how wedge issues are used by politicians in elections to manipulate voters....that has led to one party or the other, pulling the wool over voters eyes--with their complete cooperation, BTW. The GOP just got punked in this election, on abortion (legitimate rape/will of God crap)...and it cost them dearly.

Notice that Dems didn't waste much time or energy on gun-control this time?

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Pretty sure the party is still just as beholden.

The change came about because the groups finally immigrated and reproduced themselves into the majority.

Some truth to what you are saying, perhaps; but the GOP hasn't figured out how to deal with that. That and Dems began to court white middle-class working people again...after alienating them for 20 years.
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Or people will eat any shit shoveled down their throat.
Are you really going to try to sell that republicans don't pander to the God Squad?
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Yes on the DREAM Act and probably yes on amnesty with a penalty and go back in line.

Romney was against both of those as was the GOP. He wanted self-deportation.

I would also add the GOP and Romney loved the Arizona law...that really pissed off alot of Hispanics.
But, but, but what about the Romanians with foreign accents going through the supermarket check-out using EBT cards?
Yeah, Americans really like seeing things like that.

Welcome to the NWO order which is supported by the two peas-in-a-pod of candidate choices.
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