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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:35 AM   #46
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:35 AM   #47
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:43 AM   #48
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I think Republicans have to stop making abortion and contraception political issues. I'm not saying they have to change their moral positions, but that issue is just going to continue to dog them as long as they keep trying to force it as one. Democrats did this with gun control (although I'm not so sure that's the best course), but it made the issue a non-issue.

Sure, there are still radicals onthe right claiming, "He's gonna take your guns!", but there's nothing to back that up and for most of the electorate it became a non-issue. Rebs can't continue to fall 11 points behind in the women's vote and expect to win or gain allies.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:43 AM   #49
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Make me an offer. No reasonable suggestions are refused. I'm wheeling and dealing right here on the Senate floor.
You've got to give up the hardline stance on gay marriage. Sorry, there just isn't a middle ground to be had there. It's an either/or type of deal.

Stop fighting the abortion wars. It's not getting repealed; it's not going away. I'd be open to hearing compromises on this front form you.

We've covered imigration, and are in agreement.


Those three moves alone would bring the Repubs much closer to the pulse of the population in 2012, imo.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:44 AM   #50
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I think Republicans have to stop making abortion and contraception political issues. I'm not saying they have to change their moral positions, but that issue is just going to continue to dog them as long as they keep trying to force it as one. Democrats did this with gun control (although I'm not so sure that's the best course), but it made the issue a non-issue.

Sure, there are still radicals onthe right claiming, "He's gonna take your guns!", but there's nothing to back that up and for most of the electorate it became a non-issue. Rebs can't continue to fall 11 points behind in the women's vote and expect to win or gain allies.
It wasn't the Republicans that brought it up this time. Nobody said a word of this until George Stephhoweveryouspellhisname asked Romney about it in a debate. Then all the sudden the left was in full war on women mode.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:45 AM   #51
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wouldn't those be international ID cards?
It's an ID that states you're a US citizen. Why on earth would you need another one?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:47 AM   #52
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It wasn't the Republicans that brought it up this time. Nobody said a word of this until George Stephhoweveryouspellhisname asked Romney about it in a debate. Then all the sudden the left was in full war on women mode.
Todd Akin says hello.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:47 AM   #53
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I think Republicans have to stop making abortion and contraception political issues. I'm not saying they have to change their moral positions, but that issue is just going to continue to dog them as long as they keep trying to force it as one. Democrats did this with gun control (although I'm not so sure that's the best course), but it made the issue a non-issue.

Sure, there are still radicals onthe right claiming, "He's gonna take your guns!", but there's nothing to back that up and for most of the electorate it became a non-issue. Rebs can't continue to fall 11 points behind in the women's vote and expect to win or gain allies.
I think Democrats need to stop making contraception a federal subsidy.

Oh, and if Obama could get his way he would take our guns away. Those checks and balances are what protect us.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:48 AM   #54
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Todd Akin says hello.
That happened after the question from left field to Romney that started it all.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:49 AM   #55
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It wasn't the Republicans that brought it up this time. Nobody said a word of this until George Stephhoweveryouspellhisname asked Romney about it in a debate. Then all the sudden the left was in full war on women mode.
Oh come on, it was in the Reb primaries, it was in the GOP platform, its a right wing Christian sacred cow. You have to start being honest with yourselves first, otherwise all the advice in the world isn't going to help.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:49 AM   #56
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Oh, and if Obama could get his way he would take our guns away. Those checks and balances are what protect us.
Ok, be clear - does he want to take away ALL guns, or just the fully automatic/easily-converted-to-automatic weapons?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:51 AM   #57
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I think Democrats need to stop making contraception a federal subsidy.

Oh, and if Obama could get his way he would take our guns away. Those checks and balances are what protect us.
The point is, he didn't make it an issue. His own personal feelings might be different, but he made it a political non issue. We'll disagree about basic healthcare.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:53 AM   #58
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Oh come on, it was in the Reb primaries, it was in the GOP platform, its a right wing Christian sacred cow. You have to start being honest with yourselves first, otherwise all the advice in the world isn't going to help.
Abortion is big for the right. But it's bigger on the left. This all started there. A couple idiot Senate candidates sure didn't help.

Vote with your lady parts? Dressing up like vaginas to protest? Inventing the narrative the other side has declared a war on women? Did you watch the DNC convention?



For conservatives this election was about the economy, and about removing O from office. We failed. It is what it is...
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:54 AM   #59
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How about comprehensive immigration reform? This should be doable.

You can't deport or self deport 12 million illegals.

Also if House Republicans want to extend the hand they need to pass the DREAM act tomorrow.

i can go along with this...if increased border security is included in the package. Also, no more sanctuary cities and local law enforcement with their hands tied because the feds refuse to deport illegal aliens.

If you pass the Dream Act without tightening border security, it sends a green light that our borders are wide open, and the Dream Act would get abused.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:58 AM   #60
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It will be interesting to see if the Left and Right would rather have the raised Taxes and the opportunity to try and blame one another for the economic hardship it will cause to the middleclass or actually work something out to avoid the pending mess Scheduled for January 1st.
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