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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:58 AM   #61
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Abortion is big for the right. But it's bigger on the left. This all started there. A couple idiot Senate candidates sure didn't help.

Vote with your lady parts? Dressing up like vaginas to protest? Inventing the narrative the other side has declared a war on women? Did you watch the DNC convention?



For conservatives this election was about the economy, and about removing O from office. We failed. It is what it is...
Its only big on the left because you have an agenda to repeal it. If there wasn't an agenda to repeal it, it would be a political non-issue. Notice, I'm not saying you need to become "pro-choice", I'm just saying stop posturing as though you're out to change the law. Use all the cultural influence you want to change minds to your position, just quit trying to change the laws. When Dems stopped threatening to alter the 2nd Amendment, it worked well for them.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:02 AM   #62
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You've got to give up the hardline stance on gay marriage. Sorry, there just isn't a middle ground to be had there. It's an either/or type of deal.

Stop fighting the abortion wars. It's not getting repealed; it's not going away. I'd be open to hearing compromises on this front form you.

We've covered imigration, and are in agreement.


Those three moves alone would bring the Repubs much closer to the pulse of the population in 2012, imo.
I would do away with marriage altogether. Civil unions for consenting adults. Charges can symbolically recognize whatever marriages they want.

Abortion wasn't part of the major Republican narrative. I will concede rape, incest, and life/serious health of the mother. That's as far as I will go.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:34 AM   #63
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I think Republicans have to stop making abortion and contraception political issues. I'm not saying they have to change their moral positions, but that issue is just going to continue to dog them as long as they keep trying to force it as one. Democrats did this with gun control (although I'm not so sure that's the best course), but it made the issue a non-issue.

Sure, there are still radicals onthe right claiming, "He's gonna take your guns!", but there's nothing to back that up and for most of the electorate it became a non-issue. Rebs can't continue to fall 11 points behind in the women's vote and expect to win or gain allies.
That's the opposite of what this thread is supposed to be about.

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The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
See.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:37 AM   #64
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You've got to give up the hardline stance on gay marriage. Sorry, there just isn't a middle ground to be had there. It's an either/or type of deal.

Stop fighting the abortion wars. It's not getting repealed; it's not going away. I'd be open to hearing compromises on this front form you.

We've covered imigration, and are in agreement.


Those three moves alone would bring the Repubs much closer to the pulse of the population in 2012, imo.
There are compromise positions available, but most on the left won't settle for anything but total victory.

Gay marriage - Civil unions with some or all of the legal trappings of marriage is a compromise.

Abortion - Limiting abortion to early term abortions or allowing for restrictions like parental notification are compromises. Reversing Roe v Wade and rolling abortion law back to the states is also a compromise.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:40 AM   #65
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:42 AM   #66
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"we'll work with you, as long as you bend completely to our way of thinking and open mindedness because your side are completely wrong...always" /left
Sounds like Obama's stand on most issues.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:43 AM   #67
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For conservatives this election was about the economy, and about removing O from office. We failed. It is what it is...
Conservatives ****ed this up big time by sitting ontheir fat asses believing the election was already swen up months prior. "Our Guy Isn't Your Guy, So Vote for Our Guy"

The Republicans should have won running away. Romney was a horrible candidate.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:44 AM   #68
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"we'll work with you, as long as you bend completely to our way of thinking and open mindedness because your side are completely wrong...always" /left
And the same can be said for the right.
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Sounds like Obama's stand on most issues.

I'm sure you guys realize that this is exactly how the left sees the right.
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There are compromise positions available, but most on the left won't settle for anything but total victory.

Gay marriage - Civil unions with some or all of the legal trappings of marriage is a compromise.

Abortion - Limiting abortion to early term abortions or allowing for restrictions like parental notification are compromises. Reversing Roe v Wade and rolling abortion law back to the states is also a compromise.
there is no compromise on abortion...murder is murder plain and simple
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there is no compromise on abortion...murder is murder plain and simple
Get ready for a lot more lost elections, then.
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Its only big on the left because you have an agenda to repeal it. If there wasn't an agenda to repeal it, it would be a political non-issue. Notice, I'm not saying you need to become "pro-choice", I'm just saying stop posturing as though you're out to change the law. Use all the cultural influence you want to change minds to your position, just quit trying to change the laws. When Dems stopped threatening to alter the 2nd Amendment, it worked well for them.
Exactly who on the right has introduced legislation to repeal Roe vs. Wade?
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there is no compromise on abortion...murder is murder plain and simple
Not according to the law of the land, it isn't.

Thought processes like this are what hold back the republican party. It's the 50 Years Ago Approach.
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