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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #76
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I hadn't heard anything like that about turbine producers. You mean like Vestas and GE?
These two particular companies produce blades and structural towers, not turbines.

Half the line workers have fiberglass "poisoning" that looks like leprosy and they fight tooth and nail to make sure those workers stay on PTE status so they don't have to cover their medical costs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:00 PM   #77
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Eliminate the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit and raise rates on the upper 2%.

Repubs favor the former, Dems favor the latter.

I'd approve of that compromise.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:02 PM   #78
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there is no compromise on abortion...murder is murder plain and simple
Sure there is. I understand that for people who see it as murder, no compromise is acceptable, but the vast majority of people are willing to compromise even if it's just for cases of rape or incest. I respect those who hold the pure no-abortion position and I don't really see why the pro-abortion left is so dedicated to their extreme positions, but there are compromises available that could build a majority coalition in the center, I think (even though that position is morally nonsensical).
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:04 PM   #79
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Sure there is. I understand that for people who see it as murder, no compromise is acceptable, but the vast majority of people are willing to compromise even if it's just for cases of rape or incest. I respect those who hold the pure no-abortion position and I don't really see why the pro-abortion left is so dedicated to their extreme positions, but there are compromises available that could build a majority coalition in the center, I think (even thought that position is morally nonsensical).
I agree with this.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:08 PM   #80
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:12 PM   #81
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Eliminate the Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit and raise rates on the upper 2%.

Repubs favor the former, Dems favor the latter.

I'd approve of that compromise.
Tell you what, throw in the revocation of the $6k "Tax refunds" to people who don't pay into the system and I'll tell my attorney to work with yours to draw that contract up.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:14 PM   #82
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These two particular companies produce blades and structural towers, not turbines.

Half the line workers have fiberglass "poisoning" that looks like leprosy and they fight tooth and nail to make sure those workers stay on PTE status so they don't have to cover their medical costs.
Do you have any links? I've just never heard of this before.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #83
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Tell you what, throw in the revocation of the $6k "Tax refunds" to people who don't pay into the system and I'll tell my attorney to work with yours to draw that contract up.
Thatís the Earned Income Tax Credit.
You have to have children and make below a certain (combined if married) annual income.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:20 PM   #84
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Coal mines being mind-numbing shitholes doesn't change the fact that the companies building windmills are awful, awful places to work. I won't even get into the irony surrounding what they've done to the labor unions in this area, with the governments help.
I know absolutely nothing about coal mining, so bear with me:

1. Why does it have to be mined?
2. Can't they drill out for coal or dig for it?
3. How does Clean Coal work?
4. Is Clean Coal a sustainable resource or limited?
5. Why aren't we investing in more nuclear power plants?
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #85
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Do you have any links? I've just never heard of this before.
I don't know if the local paper keeps digital archives nor do I really have the time or ambition to go microfiche diving but it has been a steady stream of lawsuits since the day they opened their doors.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:24 PM   #86
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I believe some of us Republicans will come together with some Democrats regarding Iran. This is the part of Obama's 2nd term that scares me because I believe he's no longer beholden to the progressives.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:24 PM   #87
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I agree with you regarding deportation to an extent. I would propose amnesty to anyone currently here if they have a clean record. For those who have been working here using fraudulent ID, I would assess them a nominal fine (mostly symbolic).

I would also like to implement a national ID card for all workers.
Obama recently implemented that initiative and the Right went nuts calling it Amnesty, when it was nothing of the sort. People brought here against their will as children or born in the US to illegal immigrants were allowed to apply for a green card as long as they had a clean record, graduated high school, college, etc.

Living in California, I believe that amnesty is the only option. It would be impossible to deport millions of Californians, millions of whom work and have their children in public schools. It was ludicrous to displace millions of families.

Also, the immigration laws need to be relaxed, big time, or we'll have this issue again in the not so far future.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:25 PM   #88
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I know absolutely nothing about coal mining, so bear with me:

1. Why does it have to be mined?
2. Can't they drill out for coal or dig for it?
3. How does Clean Coal work?
4. Is Clean Coal a sustainable resource or limited?
5. Why aren't we investing in more nuclear power plants?
I honestly don't know much about coal mining either.

I can say this - these "green" jobs here are the worst manufacturing jobs I have ever seen and I used to work minimum wage making parts for GM and Detroit Diesel.

On #5, I have the same question. Why aren't we? Because we should be.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:25 PM   #89
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Tell you what, throw in the revocation of the $6k "Tax refunds" to people who don't pay into the system and I'll tell my attorney to work with yours to draw that contract up.
Cannibal? I'm in if you are.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:27 PM   #90
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I'd be all for this.

And I'm not sure where you stand personally as a R on the social issues. The entire party has to re-asses and reset the way they think there. Your cousin Saulbadguy said it best in the other thread how Republicans are completely out of touch with the populace with their thinking. Their stances (mostly) would have been nails 30+ years ago. Not so much today.
Exactly.

The Republican will never win another national election where the party line includes no abortion for victims of rape, incest or the mother's life or the outlawing of In Vitro Fertilization.
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