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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:58 PM   #106
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Green energy its fine as long as you don't mind paying more for your electricity and want to be even more uncompetitive in the global economy than we already are.
Yeah, meanwhile we can continue to enjoy whatever effects CO2 has on our climate courtesy of the countries that are eating our economic lunch.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:59 PM   #107
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Gridlock is a good thing in congress. It is the only that keeps government from growing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:06 PM   #108
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Not according to the law of the land, it isn't.

Thought processes like this are what hold back the republican party. It's the 50 Years Ago Approach.
the definition of murder changed in the last 50 years...hmmm.

to me taking a life from a defenseless unborn child in every way I think about it....is murder.

There is no way to convince one another our view and get agreement.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:08 PM   #109
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Get ready for a lot more lost elections, then.


I know some of you object but others might find this interesting about what the Church and more importantly what God says about abortion.

http://media.fbch.com/fbch/notes/20121014.pdf

and if you are interested in the sermon that goes with it you can listen here..http://www.fbch.com/media/player/?ty...ervices&id=212
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:14 PM   #110
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2 for 1 split like Obama offered before. Small increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americans and for every dollar of revenue increase we have 2 dollars in cuts. It was set up to be bi-partisan before and it still is if people are willing to come together and compromise.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:14 PM   #111
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I see where some compromise can be had if people are willing to go there. The first is that everybody must pay their fair share of taxes, % wise. If that happens I would be very willing to limit military spending and cut the amounts of $$ going over seas. I would also want to impose fees associated with an employer closing a company that is in the US and wanting to ship that work/business overseas just so they can make more profits and escape our tax laws. Couple that with additional caps on welfare for those who could work but are choosing not to. These types of benefits are to help those capable of working ( single mothers who keep pumping out kids like an M16 on full auto)get back on their feet (not unlike unemployment IMO), not to be used as a charity. You take care of that welfare issue and people will be forced to get off their asses. I would also like people to look at finding a way to reward Americans who BUY AMERICAN MADE products! Think of the impact in tax revenue and job creation if we were buying American made products. Earlier this year I went to buy a new TV. Stopped by the store to ask some questions and asked the guy to point me to the American made TV. He said, "there aren't any". It was quite alarming that I couldn't buy American in America.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:16 PM   #112
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The main problem with wind energy is that people tend not to live in extremely windy places.

The main problem with solar energy is that it's very inefficient and expensive to set up.

The main problem with nuclear energy is that it sounds scary.
FYI on wind energy. There's a field of nearly 200 a few miles north of my house. The power generated there is sold to consumers in a state 600 miles away.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:18 PM   #113
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2 for 1 split like Obama offered before. Small increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americans and for every dollar of revenue increase we have 2 dollars in cuts. It was set up to be bi-partisan before and it still is if people are willing to come together and compromise.
Who are the wealthiest Americans? Making a 6-digit salary doesn't make me rich...
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:18 PM   #114
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Exactly who on the right has introduced legislation to repeal Roe vs. Wade?
You're right, I guess nobody has actually inroduced legislation. I guess its really the non issue you seem to imply and this isn't just a lame attempt at political fencing. My bad. Mitt never said anything close to "If that legislation is put in front of me, I will sign it", did he?
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:22 PM   #115
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"I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. I support the reversal of Roe vs. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine."

-Mitt Romney, June 2011, National Review
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #116
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Who are the wealthiest Americans? Making a 6-digit salary doesn't make me rich...
$999,999.....six figure, rich

$100,000.... six figure, no so much
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #117
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I know some of you object but others might find this interesting about what the Church and more importantly what God says about abortion.

http://media.fbch.com/fbch/notes/20121014.pdf

and if you are interested in the sermon that goes with it you can listen here..http://www.fbch.com/media/player/?ty...ervices&id=212
I know it's not what you want to hear but the abortion issue is not going to change. The country will continue becoming more liberal. The way to combat it is through education, not law. I'm against it as well but I don't believe law is the way we'll solve it. People will still get abortions if it's outlawed but it'll be the back-alley abortions or in someone's garage, etc. and we'll have a lot of problems because of it.

The truth is that from Reagan through Bush 2 there were 20 years of Republican control of the Presidency and 8 years of Democratic control. I don't believe it's in the Republican party's best interest to have abortion overturned. They can keep trumpeting it as a reason to overturn it as a way to get elected. If they somehow got it overturned, Democrats would probably have landslide victory's until it was overturned again.

Just the way I see it from a purely political sense.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #118
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You're right, I guess nobody has actually inroduced legislation. I guess its really the non issue you seem to imply and this isn't just a lame attempt at political fencing. My bad. Mitt never said anything close to "If that legislation is put in front of me, I will sign it", did he?
That's a ridiculous statement by a man that knew it had absolutely no substantive meaning.

It's like saying "if I ever land on the moon, I'll plant a skull and crossbones flag there". I love the freaking skull and crossbones but I ain't ever landing on the moon.

In truth, it's all the more reason the Republicans should remove it from their platform. In pandering to a religious community that they will never serve, they're providing political fodder to their opponent.

Roe v. Wade will NEVER be repealed. NEVER.
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Who are the wealthiest Americans? Making a 6-digit salary doesn't make me rich...
If you are over $250k, you can probably afford to pay more. If you're up to a million, you could definitely pay more. $100-$150k isn't rich, it's comfortable.
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You're right, I guess nobody has actually inroduced legislation.
Thank you.
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