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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM  
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:13 PM   #196
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You mean, "The Bush tax cuts"?

Naw, we need to let those go up on those rich people.
Those are gone. Nada a ****ing chance in the world that they stay. Everyone gets a tax cut up to $250K. You make more than that, cool. I'm happy for you.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:19 PM   #197
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You are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter whether it's German (or non-German) eugenics or Bolivian milk pasteurization or Chinese open heart surgery. Opposing IVF or any of the above is not an anti-science position if the reason you oppose it is based on something other than an opposition to science. Strict Catholics who oppose IVF oppose it for moral grounds because it interferes with the natural reproductive process between a man and a woman. That's not anti-science.

Nothing about my analogy suggests that IVF is pseudo-science and opposition to IVF (where it exists at all) isn't based on the thinking that it's a pseudoscience. It's amazing that you people believe these things.
So in short. God can choose to have a women impregnated through rape, but he can't choose to give mankind the wisdom and tools to impregnated women with science. Got it. Thanks Mourdock.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:26 PM   #198
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So in short. God can choose to have a women impregnated through rape, but he can't choose to give mankind the wisdom and tools to impregnated women with science. Got it. Thanks Mourdock.
Do you live in Colorado? You seem high.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:38 PM   #199
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Do you live in Colorado? You seem high.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:49 PM   #200
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I really have to say, my expectations for MASS chaos in the DC forum were met with many even hands, good grace and a desire to move ahead.

It gives me a mild fuzzy.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:56 PM   #201
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:12 AM   #202
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How about we stop blaming Bush and talk about the future?
"Blaming Bush" makes a great bumper-sticker, but we still need to address the factors that contribute to the deficit... no matter where they originated. We can't just ignore something simply because it sprang up during the Bush admin. Lets look at the deficit constituents (without "blaming") & see where we need to make adjustments:

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:16 AM   #203
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So in short. God can choose to have a women impregnated through rape, but he can't choose to give mankind the wisdom and tools to impregnated women with science. Got it. Thanks Mourdock.
reality is that God gives life and yes, he can choose to use science based method to bless a couple with a child.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:28 AM   #204
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I read those and none of them say anything about abortion.
then you should listen to audio as the references are compelling, at least to me.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:32 AM   #205
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I really have to say, my expectations for MASS chaos in the DC forum were met with many even hands, good grace and a desire to move ahead.

It gives me a mild fuzzy.
It only lasted about 36 hours.

It's back to being what it was.

I'm about done participating again.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:33 AM   #206
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So in short. God can choose to have a women impregnated through rape, but he can't choose to give mankind the wisdom and tools to impregnated women with science. Got it. Thanks Mourdock.
God also gave man (in the Old Testment) the judgment to go out and ****ing stone the guy that raped her.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:34 AM   #207
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Wow. You're an idiot...
You ever been in their factory? You friend with a dozen people that work there?

You're a first class asshole and you don't have a clue what the **** you're talking about, so just shut the **** up.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:43 AM   #208
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"Blaming Bush" makes a great bumper-sticker, but we still need to address the factors that contribute to the deficit... no matter where they originated. We can't just ignore something simply because it sprang up during the Bush admin. Lets look at the deficit constituents (without "blaming") & see where we need to make adjustments:
That all sounds well and good, but it's when the specifics get addressed matters breakdown because neither side is willing to cut some of their pet projects. For you guys on the left, you can't have a sprawling and expanding welfare state and expect this to be handled with your favorite means—taxes. No matter who you tax. There's just not enough wealthy people to take from to handle it. If there is an imbalance of state involvement in too many areas that just hurts the private sector economy. You can't have it both ways. Neither party can. Everything, has to be on the table. That includes Obamacare funding which is a huge drain.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:33 AM   #209
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"Blaming Bush" makes a great bumper-sticker, but we still need to address the factors that contribute to the deficit... no matter where they originated. We can't just ignore something simply because it sprang up during the Bush admin. Lets look at the deficit constituents (without "blaming") & see where we need to make adjustments:

Putting tax cuts on a chart as if they are a line item on a budget is nonsensical, as is listing "economic downturn". It's akin to making a household budget and blaming credit card debt on the fact that I don't make twice as much money as I do.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:38 PM   #210
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I think you're a couple of decades late if you're looking for an American-made TV. You might be able to find one in an antique shop.
I agree but that is the point. We in America spend more money everyday on items made in China or wherever than we do on American made products. Huge problem, IMO. I drive a Chevy truck. I routinely pull up to a red light and look around to see who is driving what. More than not, I am surrounded by Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, BMW, Audi, Mercedes and any other foreign car you can think of. Ya they might be assembled in America but the assembly jobs are mostly low paying, not family wage jobs. They are not family wage jobs like those of our American made manufacturers.
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