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Old 11-07-2012, 07:56 AM  
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GOP, 2012: Angry White Men and Their Women

Honestly, that is what the Republican party has become. Think about it...

Think about most of the obnoxious conservatives in this forum: Angry White Men....it says it all. They've been drinking the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck Kool-Aid for over 20 years now. Is it really surprising, then, that the party no longer appeals to anyone else--especially with their seething contempt and venomous attacks toward anyone who dares to disagree with them?

The Democrats went though a similar thing...between 1968 and 1988, when they lost 5 out of 6 Presidential elections, because they were out-of-touch with the country (too beholden to bleeding heart liberals and minorities.) Between 1992 and 2012, the Republicans have now lost the popular vote for President in 5 of the 6 elections, for the same reason (too beholden to the Tea Party and talk radio addicts.)

Until the GOP admits they have a a big problem, and are out-of-touch, and seek to moderate their policies and rhetoric....they will remain the party of Angry White Men and the Women Who Love Them. They must find ways to appeal to larger numbers of Blacks, Asians, women, and Hispanics--otherwise they are screwed. And they will continue to struggle to win national elections.

It's simple math. Demographic shifts have become political inertia, and the GOP has to recognize that reality--instead of pretending not to notice.

In 1992, Clinton brought the Democratic party back toward the mainstream. For the GOP to turn things around in 2016, they'll need to do the same thing. Whenever political parties are sucked into lunatic fringe politics, they alienate the voters who matter--in our republic, a majority. Republicans had better soon remember the role of majority rule in our country, or they may yet become this century's version of the Whigs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:11 PM   #346
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Got it.
I was watching Dr. Drew tonight with his panel of disguised liberals. They were discussing how there were mostly young folks ages 18-29 that helped re-elect Obama; that they were a diverse group which they felt bodes well for them. Then Dr. Drew pointed out, that many of that demographic were also leaning libertarian. He didn't seem to happy about that either. I can only hope that the statists could be in decline.
Even Ron Paul had one of his hugest crowds on the Berkley campus. Berkley! Can you imagine that?
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:27 AM   #347
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Thanks, I haven't posted for a while. Stationed in Korea and working WAY too many hours, especiallyf or being an old man. I have one guy in particualr that works from me that happens to be a Black Liberal from Chicago, and we have great "discussions" without hurt feeligns or nam calling and I consider him a good friend. Not sure what happend to an America where civil discourse could happen without hurt feelings or viciousness?
Unfortunately as a society we're sliding into the temper tantrum age. Hopefully it will be short lived. This country got where it's at by people coming together and finding solutions from a lot of different perspectives.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:44 AM   #348
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Speaking of angry old men, I hope someone kicks Chris Matthews ass for saying he was glad Sandy hit.

I mean a literal knock his teeth out ass kicking.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:00 AM   #349
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Speaking of angry old men, I hope someone kicks Chris Matthews ass for saying he was glad Sandy hit.

I mean a literal knock his teeth out ass kicking.
It's ok. He's not on FOX. No need to make much of it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:02 AM   #350
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Before I get into this, I want to state for the record that I am a white male in my mid 30’s.

The GOP has failed, and will continue to fail until change actually happens. As of now, the perception of the Republican Party is as stated in the OP, old, angry white men. The truth is there are Republicans of all ages, ethnicities and orientations. The problem is that they still tout the angry, old white male philosophies.

Take a look at the big time social issues:

• Global Warming. False, nothing more than liberal propaganda. Even if true, then fantastic, we are one step closer to living with in God’s domain.

• Science. False. My bible tells me everything that I need to know. Jesus rode dinosaurs btw.

• Civil rights:
Glass ceiling for woman in the work place
Racism is alive and well.
Gay marriage is absolutely offensive to most Republicans

• Women are the dumbest creatures on the planet. They don’t know what to do with their bodies, and they need us men to tell them how it should be.
See birth control
See abstinence
See “legitimate rape” and “God’s Gift Rape”
See Abortion

Those are just several of the main points that came up during this election. Like it or not, true or not, the perception of the GOP, created by the GOP is that they are a bunch of hate mongering, xeno and homophobic ignorant assholes.

Well guess what. My generation is coming into power soon. Another 10 years, and my generation will be the ones controlling things, not our parent's and certainly not our grandparent’s generations. And with every new generation, tolerance and acceptance becomes more and more the everyday norm. And with every new generation that takes control, the above points and ones similar in nature will become anathema to this country.

If the GOP would like to survive the coming years, they had best figure out how to stop being so far right, and start getting back in touch with mainstream America. There is nothing wrong with, quite the opposite actually with being a conservative. But being a conservative is hardly a cornerstone of the Republican Party at this time. The angry, old white vote is dying, and if the GOP is not careful, it’s relevance will die with them.



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Angry Old White men
I've heard of straw men, but you've built yourself a whole straw army. I hope your generation gets a little more thoughtful (and tolerant) before it takes over.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:02 AM   #351
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The right may have angry white men—but it's the left that has the angry white women. That's where the feminists are. Feminists are angry women who try to use the force and violence of govt to make others treat them like men in the marketplace ....even when most women make different choices than men that lead to being treated differently. Except for the feminists, many of whom look like men and suffer from penis envy.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:04 AM   #352
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Unfortunately as a society we're sliding into the temper tantrum age. Hopefully it will be short lived. This country got where it's at by people coming together and finding solutions from a lot of different perspectives.
You like Grumpy Old Men?
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:18 AM   #353
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I don't think so. I think the country as a whole, left and right are very serious about the economy. But as stated above, social issues are huge. How can I trust someone to fix the economy when they actually believe that there is a hormone in a woman's body that will block pregnancy if she is raped, otherwise, she is just a slut and really wanted that dick no matter how much she screamed.
Instead you entrusted the country to a party who believes that if you deploy enough marines and their families to Guam it might "tip over and capsize". Brilliant. We'll be in good shape when your generation takes over.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:28 AM   #354
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For the record. Bush and his Republican congress that passed every bill they wanted were the ones that put in the place we are today. Blame Obama all you want, but all your doing is blaming the guy that had to pick up the pieces and try to put them back together. Clinton left the country in great shape, Bush and Co. destroyed it, and Obama has been trying to put it back together. Sorry it hasn't been accomplished yet in 4 years.
You're uninformed. Bush and his Republican Congress didn't pass every bill they wanted. They didn't have that kind of power. They had to have democrat agreement for EVERYTHING. They didn't have the filibuster-proof majority that democrats enjoyed early in the Obama presidency. With the exception of his tax cut accomplishments, Bush only got legislative measures through Congress in his first term because he worked with democrats on issues that were near and dear to their hearts (and even then they complained that he didn't go far enough on NCLB and Prescription drugs). In the second term, he got very little through Congress without attaching it to a war bill and putting democrats a position where they feared the wrath of voters for refusing to fund our troops adequately.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:47 AM   #355
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Might be a good thing to mention that this is not a unique occurence and happens almost every election.

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Stop listening to Hannity and Rush and learn to think for your ****ing self.
You probably ought to read the article before telling people to think for themselves. The article confirms that stock market plunges happen significantly more frequently when the elected POTUS is a democrat.



Something tells me that you're just as guilty of regurgitating things you heard from some leftwing Limbaugh type as the people you imagine you're criticizing.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:53 AM   #356
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Ask patteeu how often I see eye to eye with him and the other Republicans around here. I'm not religious, and I don't give a shit about the social issues that get most of them all keyed up. I cared about one issue in this race - the 2nd Amendment. That's why I held my nose and voted for Romney, and why I wish he'd won even though I think he's a complete scumbag.

My problem with you and your little manifesto is that I don't like being lectured at by idiots. That should be simple enough for even you to figure out.
As always, I agree with everything frazod says here.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:59 AM   #357
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It's ok. He's not on FOX. No need to make much of it.
Yeah, darn Fox for not being heavily slanted to the left, like every other media source that is supposed to only report the news.

I have had a habit of watching Brian Williams on NBC in the evening for years, but he about cured me during this election.
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I hate to tell you guys this, but all democratic voters aren't dependent on social services. I know it's comforting to believe that and dismiss the other side as a bunch of lazy assholes who don't know how to work, but it's not true. On top of that, there are PLENTY of voters who take social services and vote solidly Republican.

This dismissive, reductionist attitude toward the opposition is, once again, one of the reasons that the GOP is struggling.
But the dismissive, reductionist attitude toward the opposition by the left (as evidenced by so many posts in this very thread, see post 138 for a great example) is why the democrats are thriving?

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And let me say that the Left does the same thing by trying to act like the Right are a bunch of racist fatcats trying to **** the lower class.
So how does that fit in with your theory that dismissive, reductionism is a cause of struggles for one but not the other?
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But the dismissive, reductionist attitude toward the opposition by the left (as evidenced by so many posts in this very thread, see post 138 for a great example) is why the democrats are thriving?

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So how does that fit in with your theory that dismissive, reductionism is a cause of struggles for one but not the other?
I sort of backtracked in another post. That being said, I tried to take a stab at an explanation, but it just got too convoluted and illogical. I may try again later, when I'm not in the throes of a sinus infection (come on steroid shot and ZPAC! Work your magic!).
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I sort of backtracked in another post. That being said, I tried to take a stab at an explanation, but it just got too convoluted and illogical. I may try again later, when I'm not in the throes of a sinus infection (come on steroid shot and ZPAC! Work your magic!).
Get well. Your backtrack post was at the bottom of that post (edited in) to give you credit.
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