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Old 11-07-2012, 11:14 PM  
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How will Obama make the country worse in 4 years?

Just wondering since everyone seems to think the world is ending now that he is Prez again.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #61
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #62
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:32 PM   #63
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Big government didn't cause the recession. Indeed bigger government could have prevented it.
LOL...yep, that's very good. Keep on trucking.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:45 PM   #64
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Sand & water runs off the property when cleaning it out & might get into the sewer system. & that is detrimental to the health,safety & welfare of ?
OSHA is the other bunch of **** tards that like to drive around & toss out 1500.00 dollar fines for all kinds of shit from hard hats to extension cords.
Is it really that hard to have employees wear hard hats and provide them with extension cords that are safe to use.

I know some of these laws may seem annoying but they are there to protect worker safety.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:46 PM   #65
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:47 PM   #66
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:24 PM   #67
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That's per household. We're rather close and we are in TEXAS where everything is cheap and we sure as hell aren't rich.
Per household? 200k?

Why is that # relevant?

Wasn't all of the Obama/left discussion on $200k individual incomes and not household? Doesn't that make a pretty big (almost double in many cases) difference?
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:29 PM   #68
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I think our country will be worse for many reasons, and it would've been worse with Romney too.

The big one is just the constant pressure on US incomes to reach equilibrium with the Chinese/Indian/Indonesians. They still have too many people willing to do our jobs for pittances and our incomes have a long way to go down.

Reaching equilibrium will continue to be very painful for most Americans, especially the middle class.

Until we have leaders willing to confront these problems openly and aggressively, we are in a downward spiral.
I agree with the bolded part. In all likelihood, real problems would not have been implemented. However, Romney may have at least slowed the bleeding.

However, IMO, the only answer is not necessarily competing with India, China, etc. We can provide jobs with different value added functions. However, business has to have an environment to thrive. To me, that environment has to be stable in terms of taxes and requisite overhead costs (obamacare), a lower tax burden, and less intrusive regulation. All of these things Obama has destroyed.

But no, America is not going to become a manufacturing powerhouse that it was in the 40s and 50s. Those days are over.

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The whole process is broken.

I don't think anything is going to get fixed as long as the politician's main focus is running for re-election, from their first day on the job.

If the offices were limited to one term, difficult choices could and would be made.
Maybe. Sometimes experience is good. But unless it gets back to public service instead of advancing one's career, little progress will be made IMO.

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Per household? 200k?

Why is that # relevant?

Wasn't all of the Obama/left discussion on $200k individual incomes and not household? Doesn't that make a pretty big (almost double in many cases) difference?
I'm probably not the expert on this, but I know I could run out of money pretty easy if I made 200K out here in bum****nowhere. Living expenses out here are cheap. I couldn't imagine being shelacked by huge taxes if I lived in high rent areas on the coasts.

The other important aspect is that self employed people that do not have a C-Corp have to pay taxes to accumulate capital. If you have an S-Corp, LLC, etc. and the entity wants to retain earnings, you have to pay tax on the retained earnings. So any business growth is taxed personally in the small business world. So any business growth that is to be financed by retained earnings over 200,000 is going to be taxed heavily.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:48 PM   #69
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Is it really that hard to have employees wear hard hats and provide them with extension cords that are safe to use.

I know some of these laws may seem annoying but they are there to protect worker safety.
If I wanted to wear a hard hat & buy new cord every time they get dirty. I would go work in the Union. & I understand OSHA & the EPA being around huge jobs like those.
My jobs are all new housing. No need for a hard hat unless it hails out. It doesn't matter.If they want to hand you a fine/ they will find something wrong.
The only way around OSHA is to not have employee's. Their nothing you can do about the epa. Build a dirt berm around the mixer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:01 PM   #70
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:25 PM   #71
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:02 AM   #72
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I agree with the bolded part. In all likelihood, real problems would not have been implemented. However, Romney may have at least slowed the bleeding.
Maybe. But maybe what we need is the deep crisis to take the remedial measures needed.

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However, IMO, the only answer is not necessarily competing with India, China, etc. We can provide jobs with different value added functions. However, business has to have an environment to thrive. To me, that environment has to be stable in terms of taxes and requisite overhead costs (obamacare), a lower tax burden, and less intrusive regulation. All of these things Obama has destroyed.

But no, America is not going to become a manufacturing powerhouse that it was in the 40s and 50s. Those days are over.
What "value added jobs" do you think exist that cannot at this point be outsourced to people with lower living standards? On the myth of us having competitive advantages where labor costs don't matter, the jig is about up.

AS I've heard Peter Schiff comment: You can only sell each other so many manicures before everyone is out of the actual money that comes from producing things.




I'm probably not the expert on this, but I know I could run out of money pretty easy if I made 200K out here in bum****nowhere. Living expenses out here are cheap. I couldn't imagine being shelacked by huge taxes if I lived in high rent areas on the coasts.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:36 AM   #73
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Oh, and 200 grand IS middle class in most parts of the coast.
Just wanted to point out that according to the U.S. Census Bureau, only 6.03 percent of individuals over 18 and only 19.9 percent of households had incomes of $100,000 or more in 2010. In fact, the median annual household income for 2010 was $50,046, just more than half of the six-figure benchmark.

People always over estimate what others around them make relative to their own incomes.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:55 AM   #74
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He can't do much worse then dubya did his 2nd term, at least I hope not.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:00 AM   #75
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He can't do much worse then dubya did his 2nd term, at least I hope not.
Or much worse than Mitt. There was not a big difference between the two.
Spending will increase, taxes will increase, govt will grow, natural rights will dwindle, drone will be in our skies, inflation will return and there will be more war. Just Obama will more likely wage a more covert war on Iran. These would have happened under Mitt too.
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