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12:58PM EST November 9. 2012 - Mike Brown has been fired by the Los Angeles Lakers, according to his agent Warren Legarie.

The Lakers are off to a 1-4 start and will play Golden State tonight at the Staples Center.


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Old 11-09-2012, 03:33 PM   #61
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You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.
I don't think teams now would destroy the 80's and 90's teams at all. You're right about the international contingent making the league stronger as a whole, though.

But if you put Steve Nash in short shorts and filmed in black and white, everyone would be saying "that dude could NEVER play in the league today!!"

Except he was the MVP.
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90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.
But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #63
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I don't think teams now would destroy the 80's and 90's teams at all. You're right about the international contingent making the league stronger as a whole, though.

But if you put Steve Nash in short shorts and filmed in black and white, everyone would be saying "that dude could NEVER play in the league today!!"

Except he was the MVP.
While a squad consisting of NBA MVP's from the 80's would likely keep up, most regular teams, outside of Boston, Detroit and the Lakers, would likely be destroyed by those very same teams of 2012.

It wouldn't even be close.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:38 PM   #64
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Thats just 1 player. Mike was fun to watch. I HATED the bulls and even JOrdan, but if he was on tv, damn right i was gonna watch it, he was fun to watch, dude was simply amazing.

AGain, with the talent and how many good players, its not even close. YOu got talent from all over the world and these arent just ok players anymore, they are damned good players. Night and day difference in overall talent.

Ill argue with anyone about that, because its simply a fact just watch the NBA now days.
The NBA is about top-end talent. The top-end talent is not better now than in the 80's/90's. Certainly not miles ahead.

You have to remember that teams were better coached, more fundamentally sound, and just overall smarter. They also stayed together longer, which made the teams so much more fluid.

Magic's Lakers would kick the hot shit out of Kobe's Lakers.
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While a squad consisting of NBA MVP's from the 80's would likely keep up, most regular teams, outside of Boston, Detroit and the Lakers, would likely be destroyed by those very same teams of 2012.

It wouldn't even be close.
It all evens out. Individuals now are better, but the teams were better then.

EDIT: Whoa whoa whoa... LIKELY KEEP UP?

no, dude. No.
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I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Maybe, maybe not. It's not about getting to the NBA with these bodies, most of these guy start that training in grade school (same as football players).

The only people that state that the NBA was "better" in the 80's and 90's are people that don't and haven't consistently watched basketball this millennium.
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ALAN ALDA REPLACING PHIL JACKSON AT SCHWAB IMPACT

In a last-minute development, actor Alan Alda will replace famed basketball coach Phil Jackson as the keynote speaker on the closing day of the annual Schwab Advisor Services IMPACT conference in Chicago next week, according to Bernie Clark, executive vice president, national sales manager of Schwab Advisor Services.

Alternative investments will be on the agenda when Chuck Schwab, founder of the nation’s largest RIA custodian, sits down on a panel with KKR co-founder George Roberts and managing director Scott Nuttall to discuss what role they can play in portfolios in what is expected to be a continued low interest-rate environment.

More than 3,000 financial professionals are expected to attend the event, which starts on November 13. The opening general session will feature a post-election discussion of Washington, D.C., and the outlook for the economy and financial markets led by Potomac Research Group’s Greg Valliere and Schwab’s chief investment strategist Liz Ann Sonders.

Other key topics at the conference next week include technology, the growing importance of female clients and developing the next generation of advisors, Clark said. All evidence indicates that female clients will account “for a huge number” of future clients, Clark noted, and several sessions will examine this subject in detail.

In addition, Clark said, there will be a focus on both developing the next generation of advisors and serving the next generation of clients. As RIAs continue to grow, there are more opportunities to bring in younger advisors, who can be pivotal in attracting younger clients. Schwab expects more than 50 students from universities like Texas Tech and the University of California at Irvine to attend the meeting.

Several sessions will focus on a related topic, succession planning. Moreoever, the conference will permit technology companies to display new capabilities and give advisors the chance to consult with “a growing ecosystem of support providers,” Clark noted.
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You're smoking crack.

NBA teams are LOADED with talent today that would destroy teams from the 80's and even 90's.

If you don't know this, it's clear that not only do you not watch the NBA on a regular basis, you don't attend the games, either.

USA basketball is stronger and more talented than it's ever been in history. Throw in the strong contingent of international players and you're looking at the most talented the league's ever been.
Yep.
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I mean, you people realize that Shaq came into the league in the early 90's, right? I love how everyone thinks that somehow the 90's were the Paleolithic era with a bunch of 4 foot tall troglodytes shooting the ball underhanded.

There hasn't been a radical jump in human evolution in the past ten years. Yes, the guys now are bigger and stronger, but that's because they actually, you know, lift weights more. Put the 80's and 90's guys on a modern team with a modern training staff and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Did the 90's have a 6-8 250 lb player that could play and dominate all 5 positions?

I love MJ, Pippen, Barkley, and Shaq but today's players are just bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic. Just like the players in the NFL have evolved.
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But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.
Good points, I'll defer to what I assume is your industry knowledge on the workings of the ratings.

What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.

I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.
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I actually agree that people underrate the talent in the NBA today... there's some great players and teams out there.

Still, on the flipside, people act like George Mikan played in the 90s or something. There isn't a guy in the league that could guard 1994 Shaq. David Robinson was a tremendous athlete. Clyde Drexler, Karl Malone, etc... it goes back to the Dream Team arguments this summer. Maybe the current team would win, but not because they played 1950s basketball in the 90s.
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What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.
Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.

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I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.
I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.
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i get that the talent is better. but the markets are much worse. All the talent is playing together and dictating the power of each conference every offseason. It's now generation based, probably every 10 years it will take a team to load up on young players to keep them in the same circle so they want to play together. But you see the veterans want to play with vets, the guys in their late twenties (27 to 30) all want to play together, and the real young guys coming up are all building bonds.

But teams like the Magic, Wizards, Suns, etc. There isnt a good ****ing player on any of these markets. Face of your franchise is Michael Beasley? John Wall? JJ Reddick?

those guys are not good by any stretch when you are comparing guys in the 80s and 90s that were the face of a market.
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Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.



I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.

Good points all. I would submit that I loved the showtime Lakers even thought they had no white stars and I was a white kid in the middle of Iowa where we had 0 black people in school, church, etc.

As a midwesterner I watched Magic and Greg Kelser play at Michigan State, Birdman at Indy State, and followed them to the NBA.
Even before that I dug the NBA. I had the George Gervin sitting on a block of ice poster on my wall (next to Farah Fawcett and her nips and Linda Ronstadt).

I will say that in the past two years I have liked the NBA more than I have since MJ retired thanks to the Thunder, Bulls, Pacers. Great ball movement, team D, no bullshit. Also have respect for the Spurs.
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