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Old 11-10-2012, 06:47 PM  
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FL Election Results 2012: Barack Obama Defeats Mitt Romney
By TAMARA LUSH 11/10/12 01:34 PM ET U.S. President Barack Obama addresses a crowd of supporters on stage on election night November 6, 2012 in Chicago, Illinois. (JEWEL SAMAD/AFP/Getty Images)
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — President Barack Obama was declared the winner of Florida's 29 electoral votes Saturday, ending a four-day count with a razor-thin margin that narrowly avoided an automatic recount that would have brought back memories of 2000.
No matter the outcome, Obama had already clinched re-election and now has 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206.
The Florida Secretary of State's Office said that with almost 100 percent of the vote counted, Obama led Republican challenger Mitt Romney 50 percent to 49.1 percent, a difference of about 74,000 votes. That was over the half-percent margin where a computer recount would have been automatically ordered unless Romney had waived it.
There is a Nov. 16 deadline for overseas and military ballots, but under Florida law, recounts are based on Saturday's results. Only a handful of overseas and military ballots are believed to remain outstanding.
It's normal for election supervisors in Florida and other states to spend days after any election counting absentee, provisional, military and overseas ballots. Usually, though, the election has already been called on election night or soon after because the winner's margin is beyond reach.
"Florida has spoken loudly in support of moving our nation forward," Ashley Walker, the Obama campaign's director for Florida, said in a news release. She added that the win was a testament to the campaign's volunteers and staff.
When reached by phone Saturday, Mitt Romney's communications director Gail Gitcho said the campaign had no comment.
Obama's win came in part from heavy support from black, Hispanic and younger voters. Exit polls conducted for The Associated Press showed Obama was favored by more than 9 of 10 black voters and 3 of 5 Hispanic voters in Florida. The president also was the choice of two-thirds of voters under age 30.
Republican challenger Mitt Romney led among both white and older voters.

In the end, the facts of who voted for which candidate in Florida faded into memory as voting issues emerged election night.
On election night this year, it was difficult for officials – and the media – to call the presidential race here, in part because the margin was so close and the voting stretched into the evening.
In Miami-Dade, for instance, so many people were in line at 7 p.m. in certain precincts that some people didn't vote until after midnight.
The hours-long wait at the polls in some areas, a lengthy ballot and the fact that Gov. Rick Scott refused to extend early voting hours has led some to criticize Florida's voting process. Some officials have vowed to investigate why there were problems at the polls and how that led to a lengthy vote count.
If there had been a recount, it would not be as difficult as the lengthy one in 2000. The state no longer uses punch-card ballots, which became known for their hanging chads. All 67 counties now use optical scan ballots where voters mark their selections manually.
Republican George W. Bush won the 2000 contest after the Supreme Court declared him the winner over Democrat Al Gore by a scant 537 votes.
The win gave Obama victories in eight of the nine swing states, losing only North Carolina. In addition to Florida, he won Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Virginia, Colorado and Nevada.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:29 AM   #46
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:20 AM   #47
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Wow, what a big margin.
Not really. VA, PA, OH, and Fl were all decided by about 100,000 votes in each state.

And I'd say all of them were Mexicans on welfare.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:46 AM   #48
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Not really. VA, PA, OH, and Fl were all decided by about 100,000 votes in each state.

And I'd say all of them were Mexicans on welfare.
So do you hate black people or mexicans more? I always thought it was black people for you but maybe just people of color?
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:59 AM   #49
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Why can't these people get their sh*t together on election day? Their SOS should be run out of town on a rail.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:01 AM   #50
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The following is a list of companies which have announced layoffs directly as a result of President Obama's re-election.

List of layoffs and closings:


Westinghouse -

Research in Motion Limited -

Lightyear Network Solutions -

• Providence Journal -

• Hawker Beechcraft -

• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -

• CVPH Medical Center -

• US Cellular -

• Momentive Performance Materials -

• Rocketdyne -

• Brake Parts -

• Vestas Wind Systems -

• Husqvarna -

• Center for Hospice New York -

• Bristol-Meyers -

• OCE North America -

• Darden Restaurants -

• United Blood Services Gulf

Various Offices which will be closing as a result of re-election:

Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
Movie Scene Milford Location NH
Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
Kmart in Homer Glen
Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost
From what I'm hearing the business leaders themselves say, is that they are laying off because it is the prudent thing to do in the face of the "fiscal cliff." In fact, many say they are prepared to hire but are holding off until that uncertainty is resolved.

Wall Street is also signaling that stocks will be stagnant or down until an agreement is reached.

I'd hope that all those "fiscally responsible" republicans would finally end their obstructionism and do what is right for their country.

That said, you seem to be attributing these layoffs directly to the election of Obama when that is not really true. Just listen to what the business leaders themselves are saying.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:02 AM   #51
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You have the link. It's also date coincident. You're also making a claim they aren't.
your link blamed existing epa policies, which no coal companies have ever liked. It did not blame Obama's re-election. And that's just one of the slew of companies you mentioned. Why don't you just post the original fringe link?
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:09 AM   #52
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Spin it however you want or how you bought it. It was really to fund his own healthcare plan with billions of dollars in Medicare cuts. He said he was trying to make ACA deficit neutral—another lie. It has $17 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Obamacare's price tag is almost double what Democrats said it would be over the first full decade of implementation and it does add to the deficit.

Once the elderly go into ACA, like all such HC systems, the elderly get denied care with the young going first. That's how they control costs—like any insurance company. Only the govt does it by age because that's when most use most of their healthcare.



I have said this before about Ryan's plan...but by saying there really was no difference between the cuts between the two plans. Axelrod covered for Obama by lying about his cuts though. That was to win the elderly vote.

Again, spin it however you want. But Medicare costs to the taxpayer have ballooned because of unnecessary payments to corporate middlemen to do a job that the goverment did much more efficiently. He'd be trimming back one of Bush's corporate welfare programs.

You seem to be contradicting your own ideological dogma. He wants to make Medicare more efficient and save the taxpayer money. You don't agree with that approach?

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Old 11-11-2012, 12:54 PM   #53
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Again, spin it however you want. But Medicare costs to the taxpayer have ballooned because of unnecessary payments to corporate middlemen to do a job that the goverment did much more efficiently. He'd be trimming back one of Bush's corporate welfare programs.

You seem to be contradicting your own ideological dogma. He wants to make Medicare more efficient and save the taxpayer money. You don't agree with that approach?
My wife's grandfather spent 3 days in the hospital after a fall last month. No surgery, nothing but a couple of tests and observation. 42,000 dollars. If this is the government's idea of controlling costs, we're in trouble.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:51 PM   #54
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It gets better. I actually, for real and not joking, called every F'ing senate race. WI, VA, MT, and ND were all tough, but I decided it would be a total wipeout and called them all blue.

First time I had ever called the senate, presuming Arizona stays red.
I was shocked at the ND one and I voted in it! There was a ton of money pumped in to support Berg and they played off the popularity of Hoeven talking about how the Hoeven/Berg partnership would be good for the state. Obviously it was a close one.
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My wife's grandfather spent 3 days in the hospital after a fall last month. No surgery, nothing but a couple of tests and observation. 42,000 dollars. If this is the government's idea of controlling costs, we're in trouble.
That's how it is currently. Denying care will bring that cost down.
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Again, spin it however you want. But Medicare costs to the taxpayer have ballooned because of unnecessary payments to corporate middlemen to do a job that the goverment did much more efficiently. He'd be trimming back one of Bush's corporate welfare programs.
I don't care who is getting the money. That's not my point. You're engaging in logical fallacies here.
The point is he cuts into Medicare to fund Obamacare. Ryan's plan cuts Medicare too. I read an independent source from both parties summary of this and it was nothing but a big Mediscare war. Suckers are born every minute and the elderly fell for it. It gets cut period. Ryan just voucherizes it more instead of using price controls (socialism) which actually would save it.

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You seem to be contradicting your own ideological dogma. He wants to make Medicare more efficient and save the taxpayer money. You don't agree with that approach?
No you missed the point. It has nothing to do with my ideology. It's just the facts. Meanwhile your ideological dogma blinds you to the facts. I said nothing as to whether I agree with it or not. You're reading more into it than was posted.
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From what I'm hearing the business leaders themselves say, is that they are laying off because it is the prudent thing to do in the face of the "fiscal cliff." In fact, many say they are prepared to hire but are holding off until that uncertainty is resolved.

Wall Street is also signaling that stocks will be stagnant or down until an agreement is reached.

I'd hope that all those "fiscally responsible" republicans would finally end their obstructionism and do what is right for their country.

That said, you seem to be attributing these layoffs directly to the election of Obama when that is not really true. Just listen to what the business leaders themselves are saying.
It's not just the fiscal cliff. It's also the business uncertainty and Obamacare plays into that plus Obama's by pass of congress by using an EO for new EPA regulations on coal etc. Some are cutting to get under the employee size requirements on Obamcare. I always said, more bad times were coming no matter who won but Obamacare not being repealed and an anti-business president who rules by decree to get around congress will make things worse. Prepare for things to cost more and more taxes to burden individuals and businesses. I also predicted Europe would wash up on our shores about a year ago too. What the Fed has been doing would also contribute but not just to Obama but Mitt.
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My wife's grandfather spent 3 days in the hospital after a fall last month. No surgery, nothing but a couple of tests and observation. 42,000 dollars. If this is the government's idea of controlling costs, we're in trouble.
You do realize most of Obamacare has yet to be implemented.
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You do realize most of Obamacare has yet to be implemented.
My post doesn't address Obamacare, except in the most oblique sense.
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My wife's grandfather spent 3 days in the hospital after a fall last month. No surgery, nothing but a couple of tests and observation. 42,000 dollars. If this is the government's idea of controlling costs, we're in trouble.
When there are middlemen involved in the process for no other reason that to get rich we are going to see costs skyrocket. Instead of just the elderly and disabled sucking off the taxpayer teet you now have HMOs, insurance companies, and pharmeceutical companies sucking of that teet via Medicare tax dollars.

This is what privatizing Medicare looks like...
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