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Old 11-13-2012, 10:38 AM  
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Phil Simms: Eli Manning is not elite

I got blasted this offseason when I called him a more fortunate version of Tony Romo.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/gia...g-is-not-elite


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Eli Manning made it clear last season that he considers himself one of the “elite” quarterbacks in the NFL.

Phil Simms disagrees.

The former Giants quarterback shot down that “elite” theory on Monday night in an appearance on CBS Sports Network’s NFL Monday QB show. And he didn’t just blame Manning’s current slump, or his poor performance in the Giants’ 31-13 loss in Cincinnati on Sunday either.

“No, he is not one of the elites,” Simms said in quotes distributed by CBS. “Because when I hear the word elite, I’m thinking about guys that can make unbelievable plays on the field by themselves. There are very few quarterbacks in that category.

“So yes, Eli has been a tremendous team player. He has been MVP of the Super Bowl twice. I know that. But the way I look at it, the answer is no.”

It’s hard to argue considering the way Manning has played lately. He has topped 215 passing yards only once in the last five games, and over the past three games he’s had no touchdowns and four interceptions. In his ninth NFL season, the Giants quarterback has dipped into one of the worst slumps of his career.

Still, he has his supporters. Although former NFL quarterback Steve Beuerlein agreed with Simms on the CBS show -- he said “The problem (with the Giants) has been productivity offensively and specifically, Eli is in a slump right now. He is not playing his best football” – Hall of Famer Dan Fouts took Manning’s side.

“You can’t spell elite without Eli,” Fouts said. “The pressure situations that Eli has thrived in over his short career, in my mind, make him an elite quarterback, because that is when you’re judged. How well do you do when the pressure is on, when you’ve got to win the game?

“And all you have to do is look back at his two Super Bowl wins and the way he beat the Patriots. I have to give him a nod and say Eli is elite.”
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:22 PM   #46
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:36 PM   #47
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ELI
2 Pro Bowl (2008, 2011)
2 Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
2 Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
2 NFC Champion (2007, 2011)
NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)

Simms
2 Pro Bowl selection (1985, 1993)
1 Newspaper Enterprise Association first-team All-Pro selection (1986)
2 Super Bowl champion (XXI, XXV)
Super Bowl XXI MVP
1986 NEA National Football League Most Valuable Player Award
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Face it Simms, Manning > you
Eli would be a useless as his father if Eli had to play in the same league that Simms played in.

Simms was a better QB.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:43 PM   #48
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Eli would be a useless as his father if Eli had to play in the same league that Simms played in.

Simms was a better QB.
You must not have seen Eli's father play.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:54 PM   #49
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Debating levels of greatness in this situation is really kinda pointless, isn't it? I understand that this is about 90% of what happens on a sports message board, but c'mon man.

You don't luck your way into two SB titles as a starting QB... much less 2 SB MVPs. Eli may not be pretty on every play or in every game, few are and to be honest - what matters most is how he shows up in big games or when his team needs him most.

Eli is in that upper tier of great QBs playing today... tier him as you like, but there are few that I'd take over him if given the choice. You can count those guys on 1 hand honestly.
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