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The "Turnaways": What happens to women denied abortions?

Based on a two year longitudinal study (the study will continue for years).

Women who are forced to carry the pregnancy to term are:
  • Statistically more likely to wind up unemployed.
  • More likely to end up on public assistance.
  • More likely to end up below the poverty line.
  • More likely to stay in abusive relationships.
  • Experiencing far more stress.
  • More likely to experience physical health complications from giving birth than they are in any kind of abortion.
However:
  • They are not more likely to become drug users.
  • Or feel increased anxiety or depression over time.
  • There is also no evidence of an increase in mental health disorder.
  • There is no evidence of increased chronic health conditions.
If you have an opinion on abortion, and I think we all do, I think you basically have a responsibility to read through this. It's an easy read and very informative -- especially if you're a man who will never, ever have to make this decision yourself.

http://io9.com/5958187/what-happens-...dy-to-find-out

What happens to women denied abortions? This is the first scientific study to find out.
Annalee Newitz

Abortion is a hotly debated and poorly studied medical procedure. There are a few studies of dubious validity that connect abortion to mental illness and drug use. Politicians have used these studies to justify greater limitations on women seeking abortion in the United States.

There has been no sustained effort to study what happens to women who want abortions but can't get them due to restrictive rules. Until now. These women are called turnaways. A new longitudinal study reveals what happens to their economic position, health, and relationship status after seeking an abortion and being denied it.

Public health researchers with the UC San Francisco group Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) used data from 956 women who sought abortions at 30 different abortion clinics around the U.S. 182 of them were turned away. The researchers, led by Diana Greene Foster, followed and did intensive interviews with these women, who ran the gamut of abortion experiences. Some obtained abortions easily, for some it was a struggle to get them, and some were denied abortions because their pregnancies had lasted a few days beyond the gestational limits of their local clinics. Two weeks ago, the research group presented what they'd learned after two years of the planned five-year, longitudinal "Turnaway Study" at the recent American Public Health Association conference in San Francisco.

Here's the short version of what they discovered, from a post they made on the Global Turnaway Study Facebook page:

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We have found that there are no mental health consequences of abortion compared to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. There are other interesting findings: even later abortion is safer than childbirth and women who carried an unwanted pregnancy to term are three times more likely than women who receive an abortion to be below the poverty level two years later.
Below, you can find the longer, more complex version of the story. I spoke with Foster about the groups' preliminary findings.

Poverty

The women in the Turnaway Study were in comparable economic positions at the time they sought abortions. 45% were on public assistance and two-thirds had household incomes below the federal poverty level. One of the main reasons women cite for wanting to abort is money, and based on the outcomes for the turnaways, it seems they are right.

Most of the women who were denied an abortion, 86%, were living with their babies a year later. Only 11% had put them up for adoption. Also a year later, they were far more likely to be on public assistance 76% of the turnaways were on the dole, as opposed to 44% of those who got abortions. 67% percent of the turnaways were below the poverty line (vs. 56% of the women who got abortions), and only 48% had a full time job (vs. 58% of the women who got abortions).

When a woman is denied the abortion she wants, she is statistically more likely to wind up unemployed, on public assistance, and below the poverty line. Another conclusion we could draw is that denying women abortions places more burden on the state because of these new mothers' increased reliance on public assistance programs.

Violence and Drug Use

In the Turnaway Study, the researchers could find no statistically significant differences in drug use between women who get abortions and women who don't. There appears to be no correlation between abortion and increased drug use. One interesting bit of data they did find was that drug users who couldn't get abortions were more likely to give their babies up for adoption.

Unfortunately, when it comes to domestic violence, being denied an abortion makes a really big difference. Turnaways were more likely to stay in a relationship with an abusive partner than women who got abortions. A year after being denied an abortion, 7% reported an incident of domestic violence in the last six months. 3% of women who received abortions reported domestic violence in the same time period. Foster emphasized that this wasn't because the turnaways were more likely to get into abusive relationships. It was simply that getting abortions allowed women to get out of such relationships more easily. So it's likely that these numbers actually reflect a dropoff in domestic violence for women who get abortions, rather than a rise among turnaways.

This pattern of violence is also part of a larger pattern that shows turnaways are more likely to remain connected to the fathers of their children. Obviously, this isn't always a good thing, as the violence statistics reveal. But even in the vast majority of cases where violence isn't involved, Foster noted that these men aren't living with the turnaways. The researchers asked women about cohabiting with partners, and found that men were no more likely to live with a turnaway who'd borne their children than they were to live with a woman who had an abortion. "The man doesn't stick around just because you have the baby that's the crude way of putting it," Foster said.

Emotions

One of the biggest concerns about abortion is that it causes emotional problems that lead to clinical depression. The Turnaway Study looked at that question from two angles: how did turnaways and women who got abortions feel; and did they become clinically depressed. "It's important to remember that how you feel is a separate question from whether you have a mental health problem," Foster said. We'll look at women's emotions here, and discuss mental health in the next section.

As the researchers said at the American Public Health Association Meeting, "One week after seeking abortion, 97% of women who obtained an abortion felt that abortion was the right decision; 65% of turnaways still wished they had been able to obtain an abortion." Also one week after being denied an abortion, turnaways told the researchers that they had more feelings of anxiety than the women who had abortions. Women who had abortions overwhelming reported feeling relieved (90%), though many also felt sad and guilty afterwards. All of these feelings faded naturally over time in both groups, however. A year later, there were no differences in anxiety or depression between the two groups.

In other words, the Turnaway Study found no indication that there were lasting, harmful negative emotions associated with getting an abortion. The only emotional difference between the two groups at one year was that the turnaways were more stressed. They were more likely to say that they felt like they had more to do than they could get done.

None of this translated into clinical depression. "Abortion and depression don't seem directly linked," Foster said. "We'll continue to follow these women for five years, though. So we might find something else down the line."

Physical and Mental Health

The Turnaway Study found no indication that abortion could be linked with increased mental health disorders. There were no statistical differences between turnaways and women who had abortions when it came to developing clinical depression.

But turnaways did face a greater health risk from giving birth. Even late stage abortions are safer than giving birth. The researchers said at the APHA meeting:

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We find physical health complications are more common and severe following birth (38% experience limited activity, average 10 days) compared to abortion (24% limited activity, average 2.7 days). There were no severe complications after abortion; after birth complications included seizure, fractured pelvis, infection and hemorrhage. We find no differences in chronic health conditions at 1 week or one year after seeking abortion.
If you look at all this data together, a new picture emerges of abortion and how the state might want to handle it. To prevent women from having to rely on public assistance, abortions should be made more widely available. In addition, there is strong evidence that making abortions available will allow women to be healthier, with brighter economic outlooks. By turning women away when they seek abortions, we risk keeping both women and their children in poverty and, possibly, in harm's way from domestic violence.

Learn more about these studies from the abstracts of the American Public Health Association panels here and here.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:25 AM   #16
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Just for the record- who began this little juvenile back and forth in this thread?
You said something stupid and I responded to the substance of its stupidity. You then broke into your Norma Desmond role in which everything is about you, personally.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:29 AM   #17
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You said something stupid and I responded to the substance of its stupidity. You then broke into your Norma Desmond role in which everything is about you, personally.
There was nothing stupid about my initial post. It's a legitimate statement. Would the information in the study compel someone who was opposed to abortion rights feel differently.
You just decided to be the bitter little toad you usually are and follow me around.
Which is great considering you once started your crying thread and celebrated the John Knowles quote about sarcasm being a hallmark of the small mind, or something.
If you want to be a ****, go ahead. Be a ****. Don't be delusional, though, and act like you're not the one that instigated it here.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:44 AM   #18
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Do you understand that people who seriously oppose abortion oppose it, first and foremost, for the baby's sake, not for the mother's sake? The mother can protect herself from any negative consequences by avoiding pregnancy in the first place.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:48 AM   #19
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There was nothing stupid about my initial post. It's a legitimate statement.
I have to agree (since I basically reposted it). Entirely legitimate.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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I think maybe what people could get from the study is, if you were a counselor, and some woman came to you and said, "I'm considering an abortion, but I hear that women regret it the rest of their lives," the counselor could then reference this study.
But it doesn't seem to me that if you opposed the legality of abortion because you think it's murder it would matter too much.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:05 AM   #22
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There was nothing stupid about my initial post. It's a legitimate statement. Would the information in the study compel someone who was opposed to abortion rights feel differently.
You just decided to be the bitter little toad you usually are and follow me around.
Which is great considering you once started your crying thread and celebrated the John Knowles quote about sarcasm being a hallmark of the small mind, or something.
If you want to be a ****, go ahead. Be a ****. Don't be delusional, though, and act like you're not the one that instigated it here.
Your initial post was a red herring. Although it's a legitimate statement by itself, when in the context of the study, you are attempting to make the study seem irrelevant, which is stupid, because there is a lot of relevant and important information either in the study or connected to it.

This thread isn't about you, although you desperately want it to be. The thread is actually about the study. If anyone wants to delegitimize the study by use of a red herring, then they are subject to criticism. You happened to be that person, so you were subject to criticism.

The criticism might be hard for you to cope with, but I can't care too much about your perpetual feeling like a victim. If every encounter with me is just going to end up being focused on a thread I started over a year ago in which you admitted you were a hypocrite, and this is going to cause you uncomfortable feelings, then I would just ignore me. Best to move on, unless you like the back and forth (I do).
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Your initial post was a red herring. Although it's a legitimate statement by itself, when in the context of the study, you are attempting to make the study seem irrelevant, which is stupid, because there is a lot of relevant and important information either in the study or connected to it.

This thread isn't about you, although you desperately want it to be. The thread is actually about the study. If anyone wants to delegitimize the study by use of a red herring, then they are subject to criticism. You happened to be that person, so you were subject to criticism.

The criticism might be hard for you to cope with, but I can't care too much about your perpetual feeling like a victim. If every encounter with me is just going to end up being focused on a thread I started over a year ago in which you admitted you were a hypocrite, and this is going to cause you uncomfortable feelings, then I would just ignore me.
You're just running around this thread, spazzing out. You quoted me. You keep fixating on me. You're adding nothing yourself except some whining.
But whatever, you're a miserable toad.
My, "hypocrisy" by the way, was admitting I made fun of Occupy more than I did the Tea Party. Your hypocrisy is you starting a thread to cry about sarcasm, and yet using it multiple times a day.
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You're just running around this thread, spazzing out. You quoted me. You keep fixating on me. You're adding nothing yourself except some whining.
But whatever, you're a miserable toad.
Yes, I've gone from that crying stage, to the spazzing out stage, and now I'm just settling into the miserable toad stage where I sit back with my arms folded like a buddha and occasionally let out some whines.
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Yes, I've gone from that crying stage, to the spazzing out stage, and now I'm just settling into the miserable toad stage where I sit back with my arms folded like a buddha and occasionally let out some whines.
Actually, now you're crossing over into the boring stage.
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Actually, now you're crossing over into the boring stage.
Oh no! I'm sure the next time I quote you, your energy will bump right back up.
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Oh no! I'm sure the next time I quote you, your energy will bump right back up.
That shouldn't take long. It's a hobby of yours, apparently.
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That shouldn't take long. It's a hobby of yours, apparently.
I'm very good at it. It's not much of a marketable skill, but it keeps me entertained.
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I'm very good at it. It's not much of a marketable skill, but it keeps me entertained.
It's ok. Someday you'll find a girl that you're not embarrassed to take out in public. Then you'll have other things to keep you entertained.
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