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Old 11-14-2012, 07:12 PM  
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Jets & Tebow

So, if there is another thread on this one - sorry, didn't see it.

I think everyone expected all this to happen at some point, I'm surprised it's taken so long to be honest. Here's the thing - why trade for Tebow if you're not going to use him more than a few gimmick plays a game?

Tebow is a solid guy - great teammate and he will always give you 100%. Can you say that about Sanchez? Sure, some guys on the team don't like him - you really think they all believe in Sanchez? He just throws a bit prettier and his stats are a bit better... they're still losing.

The Jets are 3-6 ... Sanchez is barely above 50% completion with about 1900 yards, 10 TDs and 9 INTs.

Last year, Tebow passed for about 1700 yds - 12 TDs / 6 INTs - passed under 50%, but ran for another 660 yds and 6 TDs. Denver was 7-4 with him... they won a playoff game. No, it wasn't "all due to Tebow", but the kid makes things happen. Sanchez does not.

If you compare Sanchez's 9 games this year to Tebow's 11 games last year ... what's really different? As a QB - both stat lines look like puke, but Tebow adds another dimension and production on the ground and they won.

Everyone has known that Sanchez is no good --- sure, he has a place in the NFL, but it's as a backup. The Jets have injury issues and nothing to work with on offense. Sanchez was mediocre with good talent around him, now they stink.

Why not put Tebow in more ... why not let him start a game? The Jets aren't going anywhere... put him in and try to fix your QB spot in the offseason, neither is a long-term fix.

Split the QB duty, get creative... doing the same ol' thing isn't working.

Is Tebow a great passing QB? No, but he can be effective - we all saw that last year. Can lightning strike twice with him? I doubt it, but who knows - why not try. Losing sucks, so if they keep losing - what is really lost by making the switch? Sanchez isn't going to turn things around - their team is miserable.

I say... go with Tebow, why not? See if he can do something... you really just never know.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:07 PM   #31
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:08 PM   #32
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Because he won't be great. You don't start a new QB unless he has the potential to be great. If he turns out mediocre, you are stuck with him for years and it sets your franchise backwards.
Question... were you calling for the benching of Cassel for Quinn? If so, why?
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:13 PM   #33
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:17 PM   #34
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And just like Cassel deserves to be benched, so does Sanchez.
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I retain my stance that Tebow is just absolutely awful. I now also second that he is Quinn east and deserves to be in there over Sanchez.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:22 PM   #35
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Touche~

I retain my stance that Tebow is just absolutely awful. I now also second that he is Quinn east and deserves to be in there over Sanchez.
Winning doesn't have to be pretty.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:23 PM   #36
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Question... were you calling for the benching of Cassel for Quinn? If so, why?
I'm indifferent. There is no QB on the roster that we will win a SB with. We'd have been more competitive with Orton, but I'm glad we didn't keep him because we'd lose our chance to draft someone for potential for greatness. If you don't have someone who you think will be a great QB, you should be trying to get one.
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I'm indifferent. There is no QB on the roster that we will win a SB with. We'd have been more competitive with Orton, but I'm glad we didn't keep him because we'd lose our chance to draft someone for potential for greatness. If you don't have someone who you think will be a great QB, you should be trying to get one.
This is why I wanted Stanzi to start after the Detroit game last year.

If he turns out to be a viable option, great. If not, then he's going to suck so bad that we would have gotten RGIII.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:45 PM   #38
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You're right, it crushed Denver's chances of advancing at the QB position.

Who says he has to be great, how many teams have that now? Sanchez sucks... They need a spark, take the chance...
Manning is a ****ing fluke. QBs like that are NEVER gift wrapped to a team via free agency.

In any other year where the planets don't align, what would the Donks be doing at QB right now? I'll betcha Tebow would be a part of that plan whatever it is.
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And don't throw Kurt Warner and Drew Brees at me.

Those free agent finds are also rare, but not as rare as a HOF QB who gets cut and goes on the market to the highest bidder.

Brett Favre is the only other recent example I can recall.
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Tim Tebow Responds

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- A furious Rex Ryan lashed into his team Wednesday morning, telling his players it was "cowardly" for some of them to anonymously rip Tim Tebow in a newspaper article, sources told ESPNNewYork.com.

The New York Jets' coach rushed to Tebow's defense, listing his attributes to the entire team, according to sources. At one point during the meeting, Ryan asked for the player who called Tebow "terrible" in the article to identify himself.

Rex Ryan says a lot of things. But Wednesday's comments make him sound like a coach in denial, James Walker writes. Blog

If Rex Ryan turns to Tim Tebow at quarterback over Mark Sanchez, he'll lose the Jets' locker room, writes Rich Cimini. Story

No one responded.

Tebow was stung by the comments.

"I think there was some frustration and some sadness," Tebow said. "It's never fun to hear criticism. At the same time, it's something I've always used as motivation. You try to get stronger from it."

Embroiled in another controversy that could threaten locker-room solidarity, Ryan clasped his hands several times in his news conference, claiming his team remains close even though there appears to be a mutiny against Tebow.

"This team, in my opinion, is not going to be pulled apart by outside people. Inside the walls, we're going to be like this," he said, putting his hands together as a symbol of unity.

The problem is, it's people inside the walls who have created the latest distraction for a team that ended last season with a fractured locker room.

Several unnamed players, in a New York Daily News story, were critical of Tebow's ability as a quarterback. One player said Tebow is "terrible." Another player told ESPNNewYork.com the team has no choice but to stick with the slumping Mark Sanchez because "we have no other viable option."

Ryan confirmed he addressed the issue in his team meeting.

"I feel for Tim," Sanchez said. "That sucks, it just sucks. It can't feel good. But at the same time, I've been there. You wake up the next day and you keep playing."

The larger issue for Ryan, whose 3-6 team has dropped three straight, is maintaining team chemistry. He made it his "personal agenda" after last season to repair the inner strife, but this latest development certainly raises questions about his ability to keep dirty laundry in-house.

"Quite honestly, I feel extremely confident this football team is coming closer together, than what maybe is being thought of as pulling apart," Ryan said. "I definitely don't see that."

Ryan even said this latest controversy could help the team.

Tim Tebow's Jets teammates reportedly don't have much good to say about his quarterbacking skills. Should the Jets cut ties with Tebow? Cast your votes!

"Could this galvanize it? I don't know, maybe so," he said, adding, "If I'm wrong on that, obviously that's going to be a different issue. I don't believe that. I believe this team is coming together. If there are cracks in the armor, we'll find out. Maybe we're not there right now, but I believe we will be."

Several players insisted this won't be a repeat of last season, when there was sniping in the locker room and a rift between Sanchez and wide receiver Santonio Holmes, who currently is on injured reserve.

"No question it can be harmful," safety Yeremiah Bell said. "That's why the story's out there, is to try to kind of break this locker room up and make us turn against each other. But that's not what we're about. We all think that the source is not credible, we don't believe we have those types of guys in this locker room. It's just ridiculous to us."

Tebow and guard Matt Slauson, the only player in the article quoted by name, spoke Wednesday to clear the air. Slauson, who was quoted as saying, "it's not even close" between Sanchez and Tebow, said he made the comment more than a month ago.

"We had our talk and it's all done," said Slauson, declining to give details. He also said, "I love Tim. Great dude."

Slauson hedged when asked to compare Sanchez and Tebow, saying, "I feel Mark is our quarterback. That's how I feel."

Asked how he'd feel if Tebow replaced Sanchez, Slauson said, "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."

Despite Sanchez's sagging play and mounting pressure to make a change, Ryan has stood firmly behind his hand-picked franchise quarterback. Ryan hasn't even considered benching Sanchez, sources said.


Clearly, Sanchez still has the support of the locker room, but some players still felt it was wrong for unnamed players to criticize Tebow.

"I've never heard anything so disgusting in my life," said linebacker Bryan Thomas, the team's longest-tenured player. "In the history of me being here and playing football, I've never heard anybody say, 'That guy is terrible.'"

Thomas was so outraged that he said he'd fight anyone who called him out like that. Asked if Tebow reacted that way, Thomas said, "He's not that type of guy. He'll probably pray for you."

The Jets have been dealing with the Tebow issue since March, when they acquired him in a blockbuster trade with the Denver Broncos. They hyped him as a "dynamic weapon" (Ryan's words), claiming he'd play a key role on offense in the Wildcat. So far, he has appeared in only 62 plays on offense, making little impact.

His sporadic playing time has fueled speculation that Ryan never wanted Tebow in the first place. Some believe owner Woody Johnson orchestrated the trade to create publicity and raise the team's profile.

"I absolutely wanted Tim here," said Ryan, who defended Tebow's work ethic and unselfishness.

Ryan claimed Tebow has improved as a passer, yet he has attempted only five passes from the quarterback position -- and three came in last Sunday's loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

They have no intention of scrapping the Wildcat package, according to Ryan, who also praised Tebow for accepting his role as the personal protector on the punt team.

"We asked him -- a former Heisman Trophy winner, first-round pick, a quarterback who led his team to the playoffs -- 'You know what? We want you to be our personal protector,'" Ryan said, adding that Tebow never complained.

He said Tebow's presence has improved the punting unit because it forced opponents to leave the gunners in single coverage. He was, however, partly responsible for a blocked punt.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:26 AM   #41
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:40 AM   #42
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Manning is a ****ing fluke. QBs like that are NEVER gift wrapped to a team via free agency.

In any other year where the planets don't align, what would the Donks be doing at QB right now? I'll betcha Tebow would be a part of that plan whatever it is.
All true, I was mentally prepared for TT all year. I'm saying, he didn't set them back in regards to record or appeal ... had they finished 5-11, maybe Manning isn't intrested. So, that's what I was referring to...
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:27 AM   #43
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Tebow is terrible, it is the truth!!!! He caught lightning in a bottle last season only because the "team" rallied around him. The Jets as a team aren't as good as the Broncos in many of the key positions that Tebow would need for himself to be successful. Tebow may be a great guy but he is absolutely f**king TERRIBLE as a QB!!!!!!!
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Well I hope they do something to win a few more ball games. Don't want them itching to take our pick make them pay heafty to move up the draft. Stupid gang green, I'd love to see Tim fn Tebow beat the donkies in the playoffs. He is not a quarterback but he can run the ball and make plays out of the backfield move the chains win ball games. How he does it I don't know?

**** I hate hearing anything about Tim Tebow was happy he on the bench but the more the Jets lose the more hear about TT replacing Sanchez ****ing play his ass I don't give a ****. Let the team revolt I stilll wont give a ****.
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It kills me that Tebow gets to start and we still keep riding with Cassel at the helm.
What in the world are you talking about? Rex has stated he has no intentions of benching Sanchez.
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