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Old 11-15-2012, 07:14 AM  
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A week later Romney is still a douchebag

My guess Mittens he won because he didn't insult half the country and didn't come across as a prick to normal middle class people.

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Mitt Romney told donors Wednesday he blamed last week’s loss to President Barack Obama in part to “gifts” the Obama administration gave to key voter blocs, including African Americans, Hispanics and young women, according to media reports.

“The president’s campaign focused on giving targeted groups a big gift — so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars,” Romney said on a conference call with donors, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

The “gifts,” according to Romney, included forgiving college loan interest, free contraceptive coverage and the part of Obamacare that allows people 26 and younger to be covered under their parents’ health care plans.

“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity. I mean, this is huge,” Romney said, the New York Times reported.

“Likewise with Hispanic voters, free healthcare was a big plus,” Romney added. “But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.”




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Old 11-15-2012, 03:15 PM   #106
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You are aware that the Catholic Church performs exorcisms right? And they support Obamacare even.
Anyhow, he witnessed one in college and the context of what he said has been twisted by the anti-religionists.

What is extreme to one is not to another. Remember your views were once considered very extreme in this country too. This comes across as religious bigotry when we can find quirky things in every religion. I seriously doubt he'd pass legislation on exorcism.
The Catholic Church supports ObamaCare?
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:25 PM   #107
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The Catholic Church supports ObamaCare?
Originally the Bishops supported it—just not abortifacients or abortions.


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In another example, Kevin Appleby, a representative of the U.S. Catholic Bishops, explained why the Bishops were so desperate to pass the health care bill. He said that the Bishops wanted a federal health plan to absorb the costs being borne by the nation’s 600 Catholic hospitals to cover illegal aliens.

Not everyone remembers that the Catholic Church supported Obamacare but Presidential-hopeful Rick Santorum remembers: “They embraced it and …here’s what I said to them. Be careful when you have government saying that they can give you rights, that you have a right to health care, and government’s going to give you something, because once you are now dependant on government, they, not only can they take that right away, they can tell you how to exercise that right, and you can either like it or not. And that’s the problem. That’s what the Catholic Bishops Conference didn’t get, that there’s no free lunch here, folks. If you’re going to give people secular power, then they’re going to use it in a secular fashion. And that’s why, you know, I hate to say it, but you know, you had it coming….”

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/anoth...church-expect/
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:30 PM   #108
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So what does that all mean? I guess it means they're not so extreme to some.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:34 PM   #109
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Originally the Bishops supported it—just not abortifacients or abortions.





http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/anoth...church-expect/
Ok that was just the US bishops not the actual church stance...close enough though. Thanks I didn't know that.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:39 PM   #110
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Ok that was just the US bishops not the actual church stance...close enough though. Thanks I didn't know that.
If you check the link, even just what I quoted, for the whole article is does say the Catholic church. I presume that means in the US. The Vatican is in Italy. They shouldn't have a say since they're a foreign govt.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:46 PM   #111
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Republicans are at war with the unrepentant taker class of the welfare state in the same way that the US is at war with al Qaeda.

Maybe Mitt should have hired me to run his communications operation!
That distorted wide brush served them well this last election, but double down on that if you think it was an anomaly.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:04 PM   #112
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That distorted wide brush served them well this last election, but double down on that if you think it was an anomaly.
It's understandable that people who are on the take and holding their hands out for more don't appreciate being spotlighted for their selfishness.

Sometimes the truth is bad politics.

Edit: BTW, I realize that there are good people who receive benefits from the government but who have reasonable views about limited government. I distinguish those people from the gluttons who want more no matter how detrimental it is to our country (much like the strikers who are about to drive Hostess out of business).
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:05 PM   #113
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Don't really have a problem with the comments.
If you think Romeny lost because Obama gave voters gifts then be prepared to get run over by the demographic freight train in 2016, again.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:08 PM   #114
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If you think Romeny lost because Obama gave voters gifts then be prepared to get run over by the demographic freight train in 2016.
because the dems are giving away the entire store by then....
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:09 PM   #115
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If you think Romeny lost because Obama gave voters gifts then be prepared to get run over by the demographic freight train in 2016.
Why is Obama going allow the floodgates on illegals to allow the Ds to win again?

Math will end this nonsense. That's on our side.
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If you think Romeny lost because Obama gave voters gifts then be prepared to get run over by the demographic freight train in 2016.
Good luck driving that train when you end up with a pasty, old, white candidate.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:14 PM   #117
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Republicans are at war with the unrepentant taker class of the welfare state in the same way that the US is at war with al Qaeda.

Maybe Mitt should have hired me to run his communications operation!
If only the DNP was that lucky.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:14 PM   #118
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My guess Mittens he won because he didn't insult half the country and didn't come across as a prick to normal middle class people.





I hear ya - BUT there is some truth to what Romney said. It's not the message, it's his delivery. Did you happen to check how much the food stamp recepiant number increased the month before the election? Probably not because it was delayed until after election day. Anyway, 2.5 MILLION new recepiants (voters) were added. So, he added 17.5 million in 4 years...Brings the total to a little OVER 47 MILLION. Wow...
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I hear ya - BUT there is some truth to what Romney said. It's not the message, it's his delivery. Did you happen to check how much the food stamp recepiant number increased the month before the election? Probably not because it was delayed until after election day. Anyway, 2.5 MILLION new recepiants (voters) were added. So, he added 17.5 million in 4 years...Brings the total to a little OVER 47 MILLION. Wow...
There are 47 million Americans on foodstamps?
My god. This has to stop.
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I'm really starting to like Bobby Jindal, i loved his statements on this matter, a guy like him is who the repubs need to elevate and get behind if they want to stop shrinking and start growing.

Jindal may yet be presidential quality.
I would go with "yet."

I think he definitely has the ideas to drag the GOP forward. His performances on the national stage so far have been disappointing, however.

He's quite young, by national political standards. He's got plenty of time to groom.
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