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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:41 AM   #5101
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The SEC and B12 split the 80 million equally, they also split the new playoff format equally among the group of five. That means, per school, the B12 is earning more at 10 members than the SEC does at 14. The SEC isn't going to kick members out, so how does it increase its share? Well, if the ACC is "no more", then the group of five becomes a group of four and other conferences will probably expand too, making the per team payout more equal.

I'm not saying the SEC made a mistake in taking MU and A&M. I'm saying the SEC doesn't view 14 as an optimal number for various reasons. In fact, maybe you give me some of the positives for 14?
This is pretty ignorant. There has been a ton of conflicting info on the status of a game that doesn't even start for another two years. There has even been speculation that the contract requires the Big 12 to reach 12-14 schools and start a conference championship game, but of course that is not going to be public info.

When information is vague like this, you have to rely on logic - i.e., what would motivate the SEC to agree to a contract with the less desirable Big 12 where their per school payout would be less? That makes zero logical sense. Clearly the situation is fluid, just like additional conference realignment, the SEC Network, the new bowl playoff, additional bowl tie-ins (the SEC is likely going to be the usual ACC opponent in the Orange Bowl), etc.

I don't believe the issue of 14 or 16 schools is a primary concern for the SEC. If the conference did move to 16, it would further strain many historical rivalries that make the SEC the best conference in the country. In fact, moving to a 9 game schedule would resolve many of the concerns about a 14 team SEC, and I continue to believe Slive is dangling that carrot to receive a premium on the SEC Network.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:11 AM   #5102
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Once VA is in the fold, then the SEC may finally have a chance at landing their great white whale....

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Old 11-17-2012, 01:00 PM   #5103
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This is pretty ignorant. There has been a ton of conflicting info on the status of a game that doesn't even start for another two years. There has even been speculation that the contract requires the Big 12 to reach 12-14 schools and start a conference championship game, but of course that is not going to be public info.

When information is vague like this, you have to rely on logic - i.e., what would motivate the SEC to agree to a contract with the less desirable Big 12 where their per school payout would be less? That makes zero logical sense. Clearly the situation is fluid, just like additional conference realignment, the SEC Network, the new bowl playoff, additional bowl tie-ins (the SEC is likely going to be the usual ACC opponent in the Orange Bowl), etc.

I don't believe the issue of 14 or 16 schools is a primary concern for the SEC. If the conference did move to 16, it would further strain many historical rivalries that make the SEC the best conference in the country. In fact, moving to a 9 game schedule would resolve many of the concerns about a 14 team SEC, and I continue to believe Slive is dangling that carrot to receive a premium on the SEC Network.
Well, now you're speaking from ignorance because there is NO requirement for the B12 to expand. None, zero, nada, zip.

Your second paragraph is even more off the mark. The B12 has the second highest participation rate in NCGs, the SEC didn't have a counterbalance to the B1G/PAC Rose Bowl agreement, which made the B12 the most logical choice to partner with. Further, the contract with the Orange Bowl does not make the SEC the most likely and it puts the SEC almost on par per team with the B12, the B1G make out like bandits.

A 16 team schedule can preserve up to two permanent "out of pod" games, and ensure each team sees each opponent at least once every three years and lets the conference keep 4 OOC games. 14 is a bad number.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:21 PM   #5104
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Well, now you're speaking from ignorance because there is NO requirement for the B12 to expand. None, zero, nada, zip.

Your second paragraph is even more off the mark. The B12 has the second highest participation rate in NCGs, the SEC didn't have a counterbalance to the B1G/PAC Rose Bowl agreement, which made the B12 the most logical choice to partner with. Further, the contract with the Orange Bowl does not make the SEC the most likely and it puts the SEC almost on par per team with the B12, the B1G make out like bandits.

A 16 team schedule can preserve up to two permanent "out of pod" games, and ensure each team sees each opponent at least once every three years and lets the conference keep 4 OOC games. 14 is a bad number.
Didn't you know you're not suppose to say anything positive about the B1G on this board?
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #5105
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Didn't you know you're not suppose to say anything positive about the B1G on this board?
Just stating the obvious.
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Legit guys (Wetzel) amongst other said advanced negotiations are happening with Maryland as well as Rutgers to the Big 10.

Thats a good fit I would say.
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Major media is starting to move the MD and Rutgers talking to the big 10 story. CBS and yahoo writers just tweeted that stories will be up soon.
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I don't know why the SEC would want to expand, since theres been a few reports that 14 teams is a nightmare. It also hurts them in their equal revenue from the playoffs.. they aren't going to just magically make the pot bigger if the SEC wins. So that the teams get the same amount as say the Big12 if they win.
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Major media is starting to move the MD and Rutgers talking to the big 10 story. CBS and yahoo writers just tweeted that stories will be up soon.
AH HAH! booooom
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:27 PM   #5110
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Legit guys (Wetzel) amongst other said advanced negotiations are happening with Maryland as well as Rutgers to the Big 10.

Thats a good fit I would say.
2 more easy wins and a recruiting pipeline to the east coast. Awesome.
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I don't know why the SEC would want to expand, since theres been a few reports that 14 teams is a nightmare. It also hurts them in their equal revenue from the playoffs.. they aren't going to just magically make the pot bigger if the SEC wins. So that the teams get the same amount as say the Big12 if they win.
14 is a nightmare, correct. Find a list of sec teams and count them.
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The move makes sense for the B1G, which is driven by subscription revenue for it Network. If I were a betting man, assuming ND is not an option for them, I think they are targeting UNC and UVA. Those two schools make the most sense for the conference on many fronts.
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The move makes sense for the B1G, which is driven by subscription revenue for it Network. If I were a betting man, assuming ND is not an option for them, I think they are targeting UNC and UVA. Those two schools make the most sense for the conference on many fronts.
Wow if they got UNC they would be the best basketball conference
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Wow if they got UNC they would be the best basketball conference
Well, that's not so much what I was going at. Both schools are AAU, they venture into the demographics that the commish said he wanted to get into (the south and southwest for population growth), and the population of both those states offer bountiful returns for their network.
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Tim Brando from CBS is saying that Kevin Plank (CEO of Under Armour and Maryland alum) will foot the bill.

I presume he'd still hire an army of lawyers to break that $50MM exit fee.
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