KSU vs Alabama for Natl Champion - Who wins?

[Chiefshrink]

After watching KSU last night and granted it was against an overrated sports media hyped WVU team that has a Def ranked 115, however Geno is not overrated, he just can't do it all. KSU's game all around was just phenomenal and especially their D that I believe is just as good as Alabama.

Who wins this potential Natl Championship game?

[Raiderhader]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I am pulling for a Ducks vs KSU final.

Works for me. Let's settle the earlier bitching by UO about the home and home series with KSU that was cancelled.

[Raiderhader]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, to the extent that they are both playoff systems, they both decide champions, and they both erase regular season results (which is what we were talking about). What isn't clear about that?

The NCG is not a playoff. It is the only post season game that decides the champion. There is no post season gauntlet that teams must go through playing the other top teams to get to that game. Instead we get a 1/3 "objective" computer rankings and a biased 2/3 human vote.

But yeah, same thing.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Worse than usual? Or could it be that there are more superb teams in the SEC than usual? Nearly half of the conference is currently ranked in the top 10 of the BCS standings. That is holy shit territory right there. The SEC is not only decidedly not having a down year, they're having a year to put all other conferences to shame. Absolute shame.

Please. The SEC is overrated because they only play each other. The only way to assess how good each conference is is during bowl season. The SEC has been dominant historically. However, this year, I think the top teams look weaker than historically, but the SEC is deeper than usual. Too bad petrino was fired and arkansas turned into a nonfactor.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

The NCG is not a playoff. It is the only post season game that decides the champion. There is no post season gauntlet that teams must go through playing the other top teams to get to that game. Instead we get a 1/3 "objective" computer rankings and a biased 2/3 human vote.

But yeah, same thing.

By definition, the National Championship game is a two team playoff and renders regular season results irrelevant like any other playoff system. You can debate the merits of such a system all you want, but don't try to tell me Alabama wasn't the best team in college football in 2011 because they lost a regular season game. The logic doesn't add up (unless you want to apply that same ridiculous regular season principle to every sport and therefore call the 2007 Patriots co-champs).

[Raiderhader]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

By definition, the National Championship game is a two team playoff and renders regular season results irrelevant like any other playoff system. You can debate the merits of such a system all you want, but don't try to tell me Alabama wasn't the best team in college football in 2011 because they lost a regular season game. The logic doesn't add up (unless you want to apply that same ridiculous regular season principle to every sport and therefore call the 2007 Patriots co-champs).

We really can't say they were or were not the best team.

Sorry dude but, you have lost all credibility insisting the NFL playoffs equal the BCS system.

BCS = NFL playoffs =

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

We really can't say they were or were not the best team.

If you believe in the merits of a final, deciding, win-all championship game (and it seems that you do judging by your defense of the NFL and its Super Bowl), then we can. Such playoff games simply mean more than regular season games (in the same way that winning the US Open in golf means more than winning the John Deere Open). In this specific case of 2011 Alabama, though, you could even use the eye test to make that determination.

Sorry dude but, you have lost all credibility insisting the NFL playoffs equal the BCS system.

BCS = NFL playoffs =

Never said that (beyond their similarity as playoff systems that decide a champion and erase reg. season results), but keep attacking that straw man.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Worse than usual? Or could it be that there are more superb teams in the SEC than usual? Nearly half of the conference is currently ranked in the top 10 of the BCS standings. That is holy shit territory right there. The SEC is not only decidedly not having a down year, they're having a year to put all other conferences to shame. Absolute shame.

I said middle to lower level teams are worse than usual. So, I guess I have to list them. Arkansas, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Auburn, Missouri, Vandy and Kentucky are all mediocre to bad football teams. Miss. St. is average. Those eight teams don't put any conference to shame, hell, four of them will be looking for new coaches in the off-season things have gone so poorly. Top 6 group is good, as I said. But Bama didn't play the other top 5 teams in conference, they've played two of them.

[Big Smoke]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

The fact that you believe that K-State's defense is as good as Bama's is an example of why I hate k-state fans.

When I got here in 98 I'd never been around fans who thought so much of their team. I kept asking if I was missing something. If I was in a coma for a few decades and k-state had won a handful of national championships or something. But no, that wasn't it. It's really that k-state fans are just simply retarded.

Bama, Florida, LSU right now would walk all over K-State like it was a scrimmage. I know you guys don't see that because of putting up points on some shit team like WV but Bama would just CRUSH K-state. I mean massacre.

[OctoberFart]

Oregon does.

[HemiEd]

At the risk of being a homer at the time, I voted Bama. But now, after several more games, I would change the vote to K-State.
K-State keeps rising to the occasion, and is much better than I thought they were.

[Reerun_KC]

Well KState fans?

[arrowheadnation]

How about neither?

[Setsuna]

I want my "KSU" vote back!

Edit: The Guardian was actually once for right. Color me surprised!

[Bo's Pelini]

Baylor by 40

[Guru]

AS long as the SEC doesn't get in I don't care.