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Old 11-20-2012, 11:53 AM  
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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

I知 not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that痴 a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I知 not a scientist. I don稚 think I知 qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I知 not sure we値l ever be able to answer that. It痴 one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:42 PM   #46
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I can see where you're coming from but then you would have to define what qualifies as earth?

Surely it didn't go from dust floating around the inner solar system to a solid sphere in a matter of 7 days.
How long is a day to God?

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Old 11-20-2012, 12:47 PM   #47
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I'll play the game, then (at least, until I go on my lunch break here in a bit)...

define 'created?' the current cosmological model has the earth being 'created' via the typical rocky-planet model, in which meteors and other rocky-materials form a mass as a proto-planet in the early days of the solar system. this isn't a quick process in the least-- try to start gathering rocks and tell me how quickly you have something the size of a continent... it's going to take you MUCH longer than seven days, and that's with dedicated effort and non-random. when you randomize things and throw in the vastness of space, you're looking at at LEAST millions of years, if not billions (I'm not completely up on the number for that, but I'm a geneticist, not a cosmologist)
Created as in didn't exist and then there's the big ball of rock we call Earth.

Again, I'm asking for the evidence that Earth wasn't created in seven days. I'm familiar with the cosmological models and the physics and geology that play into it. But as far as I know, there is no evidence that the actual creation didn't take seven days. The seven day creation would obviously involve "God" or some other thing which makes the standard model fly out the window.

That being said, I find it much more likely that it took millions of years for Earth to form and be created, but I just find it really interesting that some people immediately completely dismiss something which they can neither prove or disprove (on both sides).
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:48 PM   #48
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I can see where you're coming from but then you would have to define what qualifies as earth?
See above,

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Surely it didn't go from dust floating around the inner solar system to a solid sphere in a matter of 7 days.
I don't know that. Neither do you.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:52 PM   #49
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Created as in didn't exist and then there's the big ball of rock we call Earth.

Again, I'm asking for the evidence that Earth wasn't created in seven days. I'm familiar with the cosmological models and the physics and geology that play into it. But as far as I know, there is no evidence that the actual creation didn't take seven days. The seven day creation would obviously involve "God" or some other thing which makes the standard model fly out the window.

That being said, I find it much more likely that it took millions of years for Earth to form and be created, but I just find it really interesting that some people immediately completely dismiss something which they can neither prove or disprove (on both sides).
So what you're saying is knowledge of physics would lead someone to "believe" that the earth took millions of years to create and someone who believes that God was involved would also likely believe that the laws of physics didn't apply at the time???
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:55 PM   #50
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So what you're saying is knowledge of physics would lead someone to "believe" that the earth took millions of years to create and someone who believes that God was involved would also likely believe that the laws of physics didn't apply at the time???
Yes. We have plenty of evidence to prove that Earth isn't 6,000 years old (or whatever the Bible people think). Where is the actual scientific evidence that Earth was created over millions of years (or conversely that it wasn't created in seven days)?
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:01 PM   #51
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Yes. We have plenty of evidence to prove that Earth isn't 6,000 years old (or whatever the Bible people think). Where is the actual scientific evidence that Earth was created over millions of years (or conversely that it wasn't created in seven days)?
I'll do some searching just because I'm curious to see what theories are out there but I would think the universal law of gravity would put the 7 day option to rest.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:05 PM   #52
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Yes. We have plenty of evidence to prove that Earth isn't 6,000 years old (or whatever the Bible people think). Where is the actual scientific evidence that Earth was created over millions of years (or conversely that it wasn't created in seven days)?
What do you mean create? You could mean when that rock was thrown into our solar system, grabbed by the gravity of the sun, and began orbiting. But you could also mean the way the mountains were created by colliding land masses (which is still literally being created as we speak). Or you could mean anything in between.

So, what are you viewing?
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:06 PM   #53
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What do you mean create? You could mean when that rock was thrown into our solar system, grabbed by the gravity of the sun, and began orbiting. But you could also mean the way the mountains were created by colliding land masses (which is still literally being created as we speak). Or you could mean anything in between.

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I already answered this.
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:07 PM   #54
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I'll do some searching just because I'm curious to see what theories are out there but I would think the universal law of gravity would put the 7 day option to rest.
You don't think that "God" could suspend that for seven days?
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You don't think that "God" could suspend that for seven days?
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Why would he suspend the laws of physics for the formation of planets yet leave us the ability to understand how they are formed using those very laws?
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:13 PM   #56
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I already answered this.
Created as in didn't exist and then there's the big ball of rock we call Earth.

This big ball probably existed as some part of another rock that was hit by another rock.
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Why would he suspend the laws of physics for the formation of planets yet leave us the ability to understand how they are formed using those very laws?
I don't know.
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This big ball probably existed as some part of another rock that was hit by another rock.
More likely through accretion, IMO.

What's your point?
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More likely through accretion, IMO.

What's your point?
Probably both.

Anyway, these theories are vastly different the story told in Genesis, yes?
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