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Old 11-20-2012, 10:53 AM  
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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

Iím not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think thatís a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. Iím not a scientist. I donít think Iím qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, Iím not sure weíll ever be able to answer that. Itís one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:06 PM   #91
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I wouldn't say it is "outrageous," but it is somewhat newsworthy that a popular R, already campaigning for 2016, already appears to be dumbing-down in order to appeal to the anti-science ignorant R base.
He said he doesn't know. He said he knows what the Bible says, but he acknowledges that the information there is debatable, and that what it says isn't agreed upon.
I'm not sure what's so dumbed down about it. He basically said, "Who cares?" But for someone as middle of the road as you, sure, it would probably be noteworthy.
Because you're middle of the road and all. That's why you respond to every Obama thread with, "this isn't news," but comment on this one in a different way.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:11 PM   #92
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He said he doesn't know. He said he knows what the Bible says, but he acknowledges that the information there is debatable, and that what it says isn't agreed upon.
I'm not sure what's so dumbed down about it. He basically said, "Who cares?" But for someone as middle of the road as you, sure, it would probably be noteworthy.
Because you're middle of the road and all. That's why you respond to every Obama thread with, "this isn't news," but comment on this one in a different way.
Actually, my response is usually "This is made up" due to most assertions about him being the product of right-wing wet dreams without any basis in reality. But hey, you want to pretend that Rubio wasn't simply pandering to ignorance here, that's up to you.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:15 PM   #93
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Who gives a shit about this issue anyway?
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:18 PM   #94
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Actually, my response is usually "This is made up" due to most assertions about him being the product of right-wing wet dreams without any basis in reality. But hey, you want to pretend that Rubio wasn't simply pandering to ignorance here, that's up to you.
I think he really said, 'I don't know, and I don't know what that has to do with anything." But of course it has to be painted as some sort of crazy talk by middle of the roaders like you.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:20 PM   #95
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Who gives a shit about this issue anyway?
Mostly liberals who realize Hillary Clinton is very unlikable, will probably lose an election in 2016 if she runs, and need to start a campaign against any possible opponents in case she does run.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:20 PM   #96
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I think he really said, 'I don't know, and I don't know what that has to do with anything." But of course it has to be painted as some sort of crazy talk by middle of the roaders like you.
Like I said, you want to pretend that Rubio wasn't simply pandering to ignorance, that's up to you.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:22 PM   #97
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Mostly liberals who realize Hillary Clinton is very unlikable, will probably lose an election in 2016 if she runs, and need to start a campaign against any possible opponents in case she does run.
Rubio is pro-life he hates women.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:23 PM   #98
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I'll bet Barack Obama can't make apple cobbler either...

Who gives a shit?

Democrats are just laughably transparent here and that's why I'm done listening to them talk about what they want in a candidate. All they want in a candidate is someone with a D after their name.

His answer here is incredibly reasonable. He doesn't care. At the same time he recognizes that he has a constituency that does. So what does he do? He sidesteps the question in favor of trying to keep the focus on stuff that actually is relevant.

To which the Democrats start to chirp in unison and call him an idiot.

It just doesn't matter what anyone says to you folks unless it's exactly what you'd have said. And if they don't say what you'd have said on all things, then clearly they can't be trusted to discuss anything.

It's why there's just no point in discussing politics anymore. None of you have anything to actually talk about.
He didn't sidestep the question, he said it was a unknowable mystery. Which is, under the most favorable interpretation, pandering to the base. That strategy didn't work out so well the last election, and if I was a R, I'd be a little concerned he's copying a Dabollian playbook.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:25 PM   #99
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Like I said, you want to pretend that Rubio wasn't simply pandering to ignorance, that's up to you.
He was pandering to Christian fundamentalists, no doubt. I see that he slipped this in:

"At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids..."

Is there anyone who opposes allowing parents to teach their children about their faith? I took that as a veiled nod to people arguing for teaching creationism in public schools.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:40 PM   #100
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He didn't sidestep the question, he said it was a unknowable mystery. Which is, under the most favorable interpretation, pandering to the base. That strategy didn't work out so well the last election, and if I was a R, I'd be a little concerned he's copying a Dabollian playbook.
No, under the most favorable interpretation he was saying he doesn't really know and doesn't really care. You're interpretation is unfavorable, because you're obviously biased.
And he didn't say it was an, "unknowable mystery."
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:43 PM   #101
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He was pandering to Christian fundamentalists, no doubt. I see that he slipped this in:

"At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids..."

Is there anyone who opposes allowing parents to teach their children about their faith? I took that as a veiled nod to people arguing for teaching creationism in public schools.
I think that is pretty clear. But he didn't state it in a no-doubt-about-it direct and straightforward way, so blaise would argue that he didn't mean that at all. No, no, you're way, way off base there.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:58 PM   #102
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Actually, my response is usually "This is made up" due to most assertions about him being the product of right-wing wet dreams without any basis in reality. But hey, you want to pretend that Rubio wasn't simply pandering to ignorance here, that's up to you.
Yes, because the democrats blatantly pandering to the entitlement class isn't 'pandering to ignorance'.

I just cannot help but laugh at the insistence on the moral highground from the standard screeching O-Bots.

Your politicians are as full of shit as our politicians. Your politicians pander to fears, insecurities and inaccuracies the same as ours do.

Rubio gave the right answer here - "Who gives a !@#$" but of course the open-minded liberal crowd is just dying to excoriate him for it.

Spare me the lectures, you care about nothing more than the initials after their names.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:02 PM   #103
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He didn't sidestep the question, he said it was a unknowable mystery. Which is, under the most favorable interpretation, pandering to the base. That strategy didn't work out so well the last election, and if I was a R, I'd be a little concerned he's copying a Dabollian playbook.
Same answer - I couldn't give a flying **** what your side of the aisle thinks the Rs should be worried about.

If Republicans would've given answers like this one throughout the election cycle, they'd have kicked the shit out of the Democrats and come into office with relative ease.

Instead they allowed the Democrats to frame the issues in manners that simply do not matter. Had he answered how you wanted, the Democratic base would've started squealing about how the so-called Christian is rejecting Christian ideals - "FLIP FLOPPER!!!" You'd have tried to get an entire news cycle out of it.

Instead he answered it how it should be answered - I don't know, and I don't care. There are things that matter and this ain't it - lets talk about those.

But please, continue to tell us all what you noble democrats would like to see from a Republican. I'm sure you're being sincere...
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:05 PM   #104
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Same answer - I couldn't give a flying **** what your side of the aisle thinks the Rs should be worried about.

If Republicans would've given answers like this one throughout the election cycle, they'd have kicked the shit out of the Democrats and come into office with relative ease.

Instead they allowed the Democrats to frame the issues in manners that simply do not matter. Had he answered how you wanted, the Democratic base would've started squealing about how the so-called Christian is rejecting Christian ideals - "FLIP FLOPPER!!!" You'd have tried to get an entire news cycle out of it.

Instead he answered it how it should be answered - I don't know, and I don't care. There are things that matter and this ain't it - lets talk about those.

But please, continue to tell us all what you noble democrats would like to see from a Republican. I'm sure you're being sincere...
He says he's Catholic. I am interested in knowing what Catholic politicians believe, even if it's more than dollars and cents.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:05 PM   #105
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I'm betting that most candidates have a very good understanding of science.

They just pretend not to, as to pander to the dumbasses in the bible belt.
When BO was asked "When do you think life begins", at RIck Warren's Church back in '08, he responded, "That's above my pay grade".

I guess that makes him equally a DUMB ASS.
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