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Old 11-20-2012, 10:53 AM  
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Marco Rubio, Republican Savior?

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When asked how old he thinks the Earth is, Rubio makes that much clear:

Iím not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think thatís a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the age of the universe has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. Iím not a scientist. I donít think Iím qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all. I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says. Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, Iím not sure weíll ever be able to answer that. Itís one of the great mysteries.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:32 AM   #241
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rubio is a flawed candidate, too young and inexperienced and too loose with the facts...

i'm sure hillary would much rather run against him than christie...
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:32 AM   #242
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oh don't bother her with those pesky facts...

what's a few slaves in the land of the free?
we still have slaves? I thought that was why there was a revolution against the English controlled colonies? That the king didn't decide, rather, that by inalienble rights bestowed by the Creator, that are man were equal?

....had to start somewhere..glad it was us.
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Old 11-22-2012, 10:41 AM   #243
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we still have slaves? I thought that was why there was a revolution against the English controlled colonies? That the king didn't decide, rather, that by inalienble rights bestowed by the Creator, that are man were equal?

....had to start somewhere..glad it was us.
no, i was mocking bep about her fetish with the founding fathers and all things ron paulian/austian economics...

inalienable rights bestowed by the creator/all men are equal is jefferson's language, a slaveholder...

and when he said men, he meant men and not women or blacks...

but some historians believe he actually meant all people which would have been a truly revolutionary idea at the time...

and it is true that we are the world's oldest democracy and still enjoy peaceful transfers of power and the rule of law, which is at once astonishing and reassuring...

yes, i'm glad it was us since this is my home...

and HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you and the family! go eat alot and then have a nap, that's my plan...
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:11 AM   #244
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...there are plenty of animals that could not have evolved, and had to be created as they were...giraffe, hippo, hummingbird, dragonfly to name a few.
That's simply not true.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:13 AM   #245
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Why is he not eligible?
He is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is someone who inherits their citizenship from their parents. Neither of his parents were citizens, so he could not inherit something from them that they did not have. However, he is a naturalized citizen because he was born on American soil.

This is direct quote from SCOTUS Ruling Minor vs Happersett. It has been requoted in other rulings and has never been redefined.

ďThe Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.Ē Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.

It clearly states that the parents must be citizens for the child to be a "Natural-Born Citizen."
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:35 AM   #246
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He is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is someone who inherits their citizenship from their parents. Neither of his parents were citizens, so he could not inherit something from them that they did not have. However, he is a naturalized citizen because he was born on American soil.

This is direct quote from SCOTUS Ruling Minor vs Happersett. It has been requoted in other rulings and has never been redefined.

ďThe Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.Ē Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.

It clearly states that the parents must be citizens for the child to be a "Natural-Born Citizen."
herp derp obama's dad herp derp

does that mean that only one parent must be a citizen?
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:42 AM   #247
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That's simply not true.
yes, it is.

evoilution can't even explain a feather.
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Old 11-22-2012, 11:51 AM   #248
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herp derp obama's dad herp derp

does that mean that only one parent must be a citizen?
You could argue symantics for Obama. Neither of Rubio's parents were citizens, so that argument doesn't work.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:02 PM   #249
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:03 PM   #250
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yes, it is.
No, it's not. There is really nothing to explain. The possible evolutionary paths of the giraffe are intriguing and there are a couple of obvious hypotheses. They are based on easily observable behavior. "God did it" is an easy answer, it's also a cop out. In my experience that's an answer born from dishonesty or laziness.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:07 PM   #251
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God IS science.

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Old 11-22-2012, 12:16 PM   #252
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God IS science.

(wrap your head around that one and meditate)
Too busy listening to the sound of one hand clapping. I'll do it later.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:18 PM   #253
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What evidence is there proving that the Earth wasn't created in seven days?
Carbon dating and fossils. Erosion. Glaciers. Life as we know it. Next question.
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Nice.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:25 PM   #255
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Carbon dating and fossils. Erosion. Glaciers. Life as we know it. Next question.
Who's to say the perfect mind of God did not create the elements necessary to prove those scientific methods?

Beginning and End, First and Last, all-knowing etc.
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