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Old 11-24-2012, 10:33 AM  
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Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood goes down dictatorship path.

Grant themselves sweeping powers and give the Islamist s the power to write the constitution. Riots break out in multiple cities.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11...#ixzz2DA59xzWv

CAIRO Egypt's highest body of judges slammed on Saturday a recent decision by the president to grant himself near-absolute power, calling the move an "unprecedented assault" on the judiciary.

In a statement carried on Egypt's official MENA news agency, the Supreme Judicial Council condemned this week's declaration by President Mohammed Morsi placing his decrees above judicial review until a new constitution and parliament is in place, several months if not more in the future.
Their condemnation of the president's edicts are the latest blow to Morsi, whose decision Thursday set off a firestorm of controversy and prompted tens of thousands of people to take to the streets in nationwide protests Friday.
Through their statement, the judges join a widening list of leaders and activists from Egypt's political factions, including some Islamists, who have denounced the decree.

The Supreme Judicial Council is packed with judges appointed by former President Hosni Mubarak. It regulates judicial promotions and is chaired by the head of the Court of Cassation.

Their move reflects a broad sense of anger within the judiciary. Some judges' groups and prosecutors have already announced partial strikes to protest Morsi's decree.

Morsi has accused pro-Mubarak elements in the judiciary of blocking political progress. In the last year, courts have dissolved the lower house of parliament as well as the first panel drafting the constitution, both led by his Muslim Brotherhood group.

The edicts Morsi issued mean that no judicial body can dissolve the upper house of parliament or the current assembly writing the new constitution, which are also both led by the Brotherhood. Supporters of Morsi feared that court might in fact dissolve one of these bodies, further postponing Egypt's transition under the aegis of a new constitution.

They say Morsi has a mandate to guide this process as Egypt's first freely elected president, having defeated one of Mubarak's former prime ministers this summer in a closely contested election.

The judges' council's stand against the president sets the ground for an uneasy alliance between former regime officials and activist groups that helped topple Mubarak's regime and have in the past derided those officials as "felool," or remnants.

The presidents' opponents nonetheless see the judiciary as the only remaining civilian branch of government with a degree of independence, since Morsi already holds executive power and as well as legislative authority due to the dissolution of parliament.

The judges released their statement following an emergency meeting Saturday. They said Morsi's decision is an "unprecedented assault on the judiciary and it rulings" and called on the president to "distance himself from the declaration and all things that touch judicial authority, its specifications or interference in its members or its rulings."
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:56 PM   #16
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CAIRO (AP) — The top leader of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood denounced peace efforts with Israel and urged holy war to liberate Palestinian territories on Thursday — one day after the country’s president, who hails from the movement, mediated a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians to end eight days of fierce fighting.

“The enemy knows nothing but the language of force,” said Mohammed Badie. “Be aware of the game of grand deception with which they depict peace accords,” he said in a statement carried on the group’s website and emailed to reporters.

His statement was a sharp deviation from the role played by President Mohammed Morsi in the last week. Egypt’s role in brokering the deal has been hailed by U.S. officials.

The Brotherhood sometimes delivers conflicting messages, depending on its audience. There are also ideological and generational divisions within the movement, with older leaders like Badie often seen as more conservative.

The Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t recognize Israel and — at least officially — its members refuse to hold direct talks with Israeli officials. But Morsi has said that he will abide by the terms of Egypt’s 1979 treaty with Israel, and many members say they are in little hurry to enter into armed conflict with the Jewish state.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:44 PM   #17
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:09 PM   #18
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If you wanted me to design the details of our foreign policy, you should have been planting patteeu signs in your yard instead of Obama signs this fall.

We have lots of tools at our disposal when it comes to influencing the geopolitical world around us. If Obama and his team had used them effectively, we wouldn't find a MB dictatorship in place in Egypt right now. His incoherent policy has been a disaster across the Middle East and there's no reason for any optimism that things will get better in his second term. I didn't build that.
You have a BILLION people of a different religion than the the majority of the American people. The majority don't even have a basic understand democracy. They are uneducated and their religious leaders are telling them we are the devil. Yeah, they should all be drinking the Obama kool aid by now.

You don't say anything that McCain or Romney or any Republican would have done differently. Did you watch the Foreign Policy debate? Republicans and Dem's have little space between them.

So, its all Obama's fault, no matter what?
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:27 PM   #19
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Grant themselves sweeping powers and give the Islamist s the power to write the constitution. Riots break out in multiple cities.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11...#ixzz2DA59xzWv

CAIRO Egypt's America's highest body of judges slammed on Saturday a recent decision by the president to grant himself near-absolute power, calling the move an "unprecedented assault" on the judiciary.

In a statement carried on Egypt's official MENA America's MSNBC news agency, the Supreme Judicial Council Court condemned this week's declaration by President Mohammed Morsi Obama placing his decrees above judicial review until a new constitution and parliament is in place, several months if not more in the future.
Their condemnation of the president's edicts are the latest blow to Morsi Obama, whose decision Thursday set off a firestorm of controversy and prompted tens of thousands of people to take to the streets in nationwide protests Friday.
Through their statement, the judges join a widening list of leaders and activists from Egypt's America's political factions, including some Islamists atheists and Christians, who have denounced the decree.

The Supreme Judicial Council Court is packed with judges appointed by former Presidents . It regulates judicial promotions and is chaired by the head of the Court of Cassation Chief Justice.

Their move reflects a broad sense of anger within the judiciary. Some judges' groups and prosecutors have already announced partial strikes to protest Morsi's Obama's decree.

Morsi Obama has accused pro-Mubarak democracy elements in the judiciary of blocking political progress. In the last year, courts have dissolved the lower house of parliament House of Representatives as well as the first panel drafting the constitution, both led by his Muslim Brotherhood group.

The edicts Morsi Obama issued mean that no judicial body can dissolve the upper house of parliament or the current assembly writing the new constitution, which are also both led by the Brotherhood. Supporters of Morsi Obama feared that court might in fact dissolve one of these bodies, further postponing Egypt's America's transition under the aegis of a new constitution.

They say Morsi Obama has a mandate to guide this process as Egypt's first America's last freely elected president, having defeated one of Mubarak's former prime ministers democracy's last champions this summer fall in a closely contested election.

The judges' council's stand against the president sets the ground for an uneasy alliance between former regime officials and activist groups that helped topple Mubarak's regime democracy and have in the past derided those officials as "teabaggers," or remnants.

The presidents' opponents nonetheless see the judiciary as the only remaining civilian branch of government with a degree of independence, since Morsis Obama already holds executive power and as well as legislative authority due to the dissolution of parliament.

The judges released their statement following an emergency meeting Saturday. They said Morsi's Obama's decision is an "unprecedented assault on the judiciary and it rulings" and called on the president to "distance himself from the declaration and all things that touch judicial authority, its specifications or interference in its members or its rulings."

Not surprising.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:11 AM   #20
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You have a BILLION people of a different religion than the the majority of the American people. The majority don't even have a basic understand democracy. They are uneducated and their religious leaders are telling them we are the devil. Yeah, they should all be drinking the Obama kool aid by now.

You don't say anything that McCain or Romney or any Republican would have done differently. Did you watch the Foreign Policy debate? Republicans and Dem's have little space between them.

So, its all Obama's fault, no matter what?
Obama is the guy in charge. If it was Romney or McCain for the past 4 years, it would be their failure, but it's not. If Romney or McCain had been POTUS, I doubt this would have happened. It certainly didn't happen on GWBush's watch.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:44 AM   #21
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:49 AM   #22
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Obama is the guy in charge. If it was Romney or McCain for the past 4 years, it would be their failure, but it's not. If Romney or McCain had been POTUS, I doubt this would have happened. It certainly didn't happen on GWBush's watch.
It happened on Obama's watch so its his fault...... ..... I thought the collapse of the housing and financial market on Bush's watch wasn't his fault?

So if it happens on a Dems watch, its their fault. I happens on an R's watch, its the Dems fault?
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It happened on Obama's watch so its his fault...... ..... I thought the collapse of the housing and financial market on Bush's watch wasn't his fault?

So if it happens on a Dems watch, its their fault. I happens on an R's watch, its the Dems fault?
If it would have happened under Bush or Romney you can bet your bottom dollar the media would be clambering it was their fault.
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If it would have happened under Bush or Romney you can bet your bottom dollar the media would be clambering it was their fault.
I understand that thought process. Blame the guy in charge. But, anyone could see this coming years ago. And no one could have stopped it without making the situation worse.

There is nothing we could have done to stop this train. We can only hope to maybe not have those BILLION people all on that same train.
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Im sure Obama will cut off the foreign aid if the MB gets really going, don't you? Fanatical Islam and sharia law, human rights folks will get Obama to take away US support. What do you think?
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It happened on Obama's watch so its his fault...... ..... I thought the collapse of the housing and financial market on Bush's watch wasn't his fault?

So if it happens on a Dems watch, its their fault. I happens on an R's watch, its the Dems fault?
Sometimes there are actually differences between one thing and another.

The conditions for the financial collapse of 2008 were created by the interaction of a decade's worth of legislative and regulatory policy created by both Congress and the WH and advocated by both Republicans and democrats. Very few people saw the collapse coming. So it's wrong to blame GWBush almost exclusively for it, but that hasn't stopped you or the rest of your party from doing it. (Your attempt to point the finger of hypocrisy at me ignores the fact that it indicts you at the same time).

By contrast, the Arab Spring and it's aftermath took place entirely on Obama's watch in a policy area (foreign policy) where the President has a great deal of autonomy. The results that we're now seeing were so predictable that many people on ChiefsPlanet predicted it. It's almost completely different than the complex and bipartisan policy failures of the financial collapse. While it's true that GWBush set things in motion which made the Arab Spring more likely (by showing the way to freedom in Iraq), it's the mismanagement of the Arab Spring (and of Iraq for that matter) that falls entirely in Obama's lap.
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But, anyone could see this coming years ago.
True, which is what makes it different than the financial collapse.

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And no one could have stopped it without making the situation worse.
This is almost certainly false. You seem to give the US foreign policy team very little credit. Maybe you should sign on to Ron Paul's isolationism.
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Sometimes there are actually differences between one thing and another.
I guess so......One guy was Republican, one was a Democrat.
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The conditions for the financial collapse of 2008 were created by the interaction of a decade's worth of legislative and regulatory policy created by both Congress and the WH and advocated by both Republicans and democrats. Very few people saw the collapse coming. So it's wrong to blame GWBush almost exclusively for it, but that hasn't stopped you or the rest of your party from doing it. (Your attempt to point the finger of hypocrisy at me ignores the fact that it indicts you at the same time)
It happened on his watch
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By contrast, the Arab Spring and it's aftermath took place entirely on Obama's watch in a policy area (foreign policy) where the President has a great deal of autonomy. The results that we're now seeing were so predictable that many people on ChiefsPlanet predicted it.
Everybody saw this coming. Everyone knew the Muslim brotherhood would win the election. They won a fair democratic election. We were suppose to somehow overthrow or sabotage a free and fair election because we don't like the party in the lead? Thats not what we are suppose to be about.
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Basically, we've got the tri-fecta, here.

The decree brings with it massive civil unrest, international scorn, and now Egyptian shares are falling in value.

So now Morsi is saying the powers are temporary:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2188065.html

Mohamed Morsi's Decree 'Temporary,' Presidency Says
11/25/2012 10:53 am EST

The Egyptian presidency said on Sunday it was committed to engaging "all political forces" to reach common ground on the constitution and stressed the "temporary nature" of a decree expanding President Mohamed Mursi's powers.

"This declaration is deemed necessary in order to hold accountable those responsible for the corruption as well as other crimes during the previous regime and the transitional period," the presidency said in a statement.
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If it would have happened under Bush or Romney you can bet your bottom dollar the media would be clambering it was their fault.
But strangely enough the media is pretty quiet in assessing the blame game here.
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