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Old 11-24-2012, 05:48 AM  
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Notice how many gods you reject.

Proof #28 - Notice how many gods you reject

There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real.

If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc.

There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyze any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:44 PM   #196
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This isn't the first people to do this either

Atheist Family Loses Lawsuit to Have ‘Under God’ Removed From the Pledge of Allegiance

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/athe...of-allegiance/

Some have tried to get "In God We Trust" off of our money too.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:47 PM   #197
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I once had a committed atheist ask me this question:
“How can a person who is as intelligent as you are believe in God?”
The arrogance implied in that question is typical of the committed atheist. In their eyes, believer = stupid and committed atheist = brilliant.
[I see this around here quite a lot. Even on people who just consider themselves spiritual.]

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Old 11-25-2012, 02:03 PM   #198
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True. I'm damned near an atheist except for worshiping that one true God that I do.

Hell, I was totally on the atheism wagon until he revealed himself to me and invited me to follow. Now I'm not going to pretend to know why he did that when he did that, but once he called my name I'd have been a fool not to come.
I tr to not jump into religious conversations and to be respectful of people of faith but my mind is to far in the gutter not to laugh at things like this.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:33 PM   #199
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Atheist Family Loses Lawsuit to Have ‘Under God’ Removed From the Pledge of Allegiance

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/athe...of-allegiance/

Some have tried to get "In God We Trust" off of our money too.
Under God was added to our pledge of allegiance in 1954, it was added to our currency around the same time, however it made appearances on coins well before that yet still over a hundred years after our birth as a nation. These changes were driven at the same time as the McCarthyism movement. It does not belong there and should be removed. The 10 commandments and other religious language should be removed from all government buildings. You claim to stand for what the founding fathers intended and not understand how this is a complete contradiction to their intentions amazes me. I have several friends and loved ones who believe in one variation of Christianity or another. If their right to hold these beliefs is ever challenged I will stand among them and all others who hold those beliefs to defend that right.

Every year I post a Merry Christmas thread here and will do the same this year and if anyone is offended by it, good **** them. It pisses me off when people try to pressure non government companies to not recognize this holiday. I could go into how this date is fabricated in Christianity but I digress. I respect the owner of Chic Filet as he makes his views known and sticks by them. Some who disagree with his beliefs tried to punish him with protests. It back fired and he made a mint from those who share his beliefs. I do not but I respect his conviction and courage and good for him. I have no problem doing business with him because I enjoy his food. If he refused service to those who do not share his beliefs I would have a huge problem with him, he does not and good for him. We need to re-establish separation of church and state and it is way overdue~
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:35 PM   #200
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the Jews in Jesus' time chose to ignore that prophecy being fulfilled was at hand...they saw him as nothing more than a blasphemer, a false prophet, and someone who was gaing traction among their people., and understandably, felt that upheaval would put them in danger under Roman rule.


He not only foretold of the destruction, he even gave the detail that no stone would be standing...you can marginalize it all you want.


muslims do not believe in a personal relationship with God, to claim so would be as dangerous as what Christ procliamed.

lots of ifs in your quote.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:36 PM   #201
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What about Jesus ?
Moses, Muhammad, etc. Just a bunch of sketchy individuals.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:22 PM   #202
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Under God was added to our pledge of allegiance in 1954, it was added to our currency around the same time, however it made appearances on coins well before that yet still over a hundred years after our birth as a nation. These changes were driven at the same time as the McCarthyism movement. It does not belong there and should be removed. The 10 commandments and other religious language should be removed from all government buildings. You claim to stand for what the founding fathers intended and not understand how this is a complete contradiction to their intentions amazes me. I have several friends and loved ones who believe in one variation of Christianity or another. If their right to hold these beliefs is ever challenged I will stand among them and all others who hold those beliefs to defend that right.

Every year I post a Merry Christmas thread here and will do the same this year and if anyone is offended by it, good **** them. It pisses me off when people try to pressure non government companies to not recognize this holiday. I could go into how this date is fabricated in Christianity but I digress. I respect the owner of Chic Filet as he makes his views known and sticks by them. Some who disagree with his beliefs tried to punish him with protests. It back fired and he made a mint from those who share his beliefs. I do not but I respect his conviction and courage and good for him. I have no problem doing business with him because I enjoy his food. If he refused service to those who do not share his beliefs I would have a huge problem with him, he does not and good for him. We need to re-establish separation of church and state and it is way overdue~
That has nothing to do with establishing a church. George Washingtons Thanksgiving Proclamation contradicts this. But thank you for proving my point.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:29 PM   #203
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:51 PM   #204
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That has nothing to do with establishing a church. George Washingtons Thanksgiving Proclamation contradicts this. But thank you for proving my point.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:29 PM   #205
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Freedom of religion is not the same as freedom from religion. This is a subtle difference that escapes most atheists. Large intellect, indeed.
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Freedom of religion is not the same as freedom from religion. This is a subtle difference that escapes most atheists. Large intellect, indeed.
where does separation of church and state fit into your subtle world?
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Freedom of religion is not the same as freedom from religion. This is a subtle difference that escapes most atheists. Large intellect, indeed.
wow, you really showed me. I'm not an atheist, I just realize that if you apply the constitution's prohibition of endorsing any religion, then you may have a problem when religious imagery appears on government properties. Of course, dumbbells like yourself spin that into some kind of imaginary war on christians.
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wow, you really showed me. I'm not an atheist, I just realize that if you apply the constitution's prohibition of endorsing any religion, then you may have a problem when religious imagery appears on government properties. Of course, dumbbells like yourself spin that into some kind of imaginary war on christians.
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where does separation of church and state fit into your subtle world?
Not in the Constitution as far as I'm aware.

But...

In a society of laws, there is a basis in morality and justice that has its roots from somewhere. Just where might that be? What gives us the guidance to know that murder, theft, rape, and fraud are wrong and subject to consequences? Shouldn't we all just be beholden by the rule of nature? Are other beasts judged as we are? Why not?

To ignore the uniqueness of human existance is to ignore its creator. For if there is no creator, why all the laws that bind us? By following the letter of the law you are already acknowledging a moral code that did not evolve from the primordial ooze.
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wow, you really showed me. I'm not an atheist, I just realize that if you apply the constitution's prohibition of endorsing any religion, then you may have a problem when religious imagery appears on government properties. Of course, dumbbells like yourself spin that into some kind of imaginary war on christians.
There is no prohibition in endorsing a religion. Only prohibition in preventing the practice of religion.
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