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Old 11-24-2012, 04:48 AM  
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Notice how many gods you reject.

Proof #28 - Notice how many gods you reject

There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

[Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them.

The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary.

How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real.

If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc.

There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyze any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity -- there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #331
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I think the problem on this issue is that the final Constitution was the work of many, even per Madison, who did not all agree but compromised in the end. Not every Framer agreed where the line would be drawn on this, obviously by the actions of many of them that would become president. Jefferson was probably one of the more agnostic and strict as to where that line should be drawn. That's all the Danbury letter shows is Jefferson's line.
Yes, true. There were a lot of compromises on many issues. And that famous letter is Jackson expressing the concept in his own way. I think the phrasing of the amendment is pretty clear though.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:25 PM   #332
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Standard reply for when you are caught. That or the fake ignore
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #333
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1) Wrong. I have an amedment. Not my fault if you can't read it.
2) Once again I will take the opinion of a scholar over yours. Quote the passage in the Quran that supports your belief.
3) I don't care for your personal Jesus. Too much bigotry.
you have an amnendment that keeps government from interfering with worship and religion. not to keep religion out of the state, but to keep the STATE out of relgion...that's why they are worded "shall not"

I'm talking God, not a man made denomination, which the founders knew they had no right to proclaim for the country.... This is WHY different denominations, through Jefferson, were allowed to sahre the Capitol bulidng for services. This is WHY the first States Consttitutions include GOD. This is also why GOD was included in the charters and emblems of the first institutions of higher learning...Keep ignoring the Washinton monument, the Liberty Bell and the Jefferson Memorial...it conflicts with the agenda.

I understand why you keep cherrypicking my posts, I also already told you why this is happening...you just keep playing the part. ..but it's cool man...it HAS to go this way.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:45 PM   #334
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The Islamic view of God is that there is a special relationship God has with humans (unlike, say, deism), and that God is compassionate and loving towards them (unlike, say, Greek and Roman polytheism).

From the Koran:

[2:187] And when My servants ask thee about Me, say: ‘I am near. I answer the prayer of the supplicant when he prays to Me. So they should hearken to Me and believe in Me, that they may follow the right way.’

[50:17] And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein. [Speaking of God and Guardian Angels]

[34:51] Say, ‘ If I err, I err only against myself; and if I am rightly guided, it is because of what my Lord has revealed to me. Verily, He is All-Hearing, Nigh.’

[57:5] He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, then He settled Himself on the Throne. He knows what enters the earth and what comes out of it, and what comes down from heaven and what goes up into it. And He is with you wheresoever you may be. And Allah sees all that you do.
...proves nothing about being in a relationship with God.

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Old 11-27-2012, 05:47 PM   #335
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you have an amnendment that keeps government from interfering with worship and religion. not to keep religion out of the state, but to keep the STATE out of relgion...that's why they are worded "shall not"

I'm talking God, not a man made denomination, which the founders knew they had no right to proclaim for the country.... This is WHY different denominations, through Jefferson, were allowed to sahre the Capitol bulidng for services. This is WHY the first States Consttitutions include GOD. This is also why GOD was included in the charters and emblems of the first institutions of higher learning...Keep ignoring the Washinton monument, the Liberty Bell and the Jefferson Memorial...it conflicts with the agenda.

I understand why you keep cherrypicking my posts, I also already told you why this is happening...you just keep playing the part. ..but it's cool man...it HAS to go this way.
Do you believe there will be an apocalypse in your lifetime? I get that impression from some of your posts.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:50 PM   #336
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So Madison did not understand the Constitution either?

James Madison on the subject~

Direct references to separation:

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820).

Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832).

To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).

Madison's summary of the First Amendment:

Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731).

Or~

Article VI which clearly states "There shall be no religious test for public office"
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Do you believe there will be an apocalypse in your lifetime? I get that impression from some of your posts.
...an apocalypse is an unveiling...I think that the Mayan date is misunderstood, and the implications of it are far reaching.

do you know what happens on that date?

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Atheist Family Loses Lawsuit to Have ‘Under God’ Removed From the Pledge of Allegiance

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/athe...of-allegiance/

Some have tried to get "In God We Trust" off of our money too.
Shouldn't be there and wasn't till the 1950's on currency.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:56 PM   #339
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...an apocalypse is an unveilng...I think that the Mayan date is misunderstood, and the implications of it are far reaching.

do you know what happens on that date?
Yes. Absolutely ****ing nothing.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:58 PM   #340
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Yes. Absolutely ****ing nothing.
sad, considering you like the stars/space so much...you're clueless.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:59 PM   #341
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...an apocalypse is an unveilng...I think that the Mayan date is misunderstood, and the implications of it are far reaching.

do you know what happens on that date?
Well, I've heard a few different versions. Plagues, death, confusion, fire from the sky. That kind of thing.

Do you think the date is near?
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Well, I've heard a few different versions. Plagues, death, confusion, fire from the sky. That kind of thing.

Do you think the date is near?
The unveiling? Sure....prolly sooner than we think.


...Apocalypse as most people know it? no. too much still has to happen.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:06 PM   #343
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Jefferson and Adams both understood the Consttution. so did Washington...why don't you quote his letter, urged on by Congress, regarding the day of Thanks we just celebrated?
Why don't you? Also why are you not thankful you live in a country that protects your beliefs along with others that hold different beliefs just as sacred as you hold yours?
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Why don't you? Also why are you not thankful you live in a country that protects your beliefs along with others that hold different beliefs just as sacred as you hold yours?


washington's letter...look it up.
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The unveiling? Sure....prolly sooner than we think.


...Apocalypse as most people know it? no. too much still has to happen.
I'm confused about the difference between the unveiling and the apocalypse. What exactly is the unveiling?
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