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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:26 PM   #5431
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The B12 doesn't have the clout to make those demands. They have less teams and don't have a conference championship game. There's no way in hell that the SEC will agree to any playoff that only allows conf. champs in when SEC teams 2-4 or more are often better than all the other conference champions.
Of course they do, there is no playoff without the 4 major conferences all signing on. The staggering pile of money available is what finally convinced everyone to create a playoff, but any one of them could have killed it and forced another round of minor BCS tinkering.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:27 PM   #5432
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Of course they do, there is no playoff without the 4 major conferences all signing on. The staggering pile of money available is what finally forced everyone to create a playoff, but any one of them could have killed it and forced another round of minor BCS tinkering.
The SEC will never agree to it and the SEC has more $$ and more power than the B12. The SEC will want the top 4 teams ranked in the BCS to be in the playoff - and that's exactly how it should be.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:29 PM   #5433
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The SEC will never agree to it and the SEC has more $$ and more power than the B12.
and if no one blinks in that case, the playoff doesn't happen, and we just have an extension of the BCS with some minor revisions.

I personally think, if true, it is just a bluff from the Big 12 because the money is just too good, but the 4 conferences do each have veto power if they hate money and are stupid enough to use it.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:31 PM   #5434
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and if no one blinks in that case, the playoff doesn't happen, and we just have an extension of the BCS with some minor revisions.

I personally think, if true, it is just a bluff from the Big 12 because the money is just too good, but the 4 conferences do each have veto power if they hate money and are stupid enough to use it.
See, but the SEC is fine with the current system. It's the other conferences that are crying wolf.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #5435
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and if no one blinks in that case, the playoff doesn't happen, and we just have an extension of the BCS with some minor revisions.

I personally think, if true, it is just a bluff from the Big 12 because the money is just too good, but the 4 conferences do each have veto power if they hate money and are stupid enough to use it.
The Big 12 would be playing with fire. Slive, Delaney, and Scott could easily tell Bowelsby to **** off and include the ACC instead. Suddenly, full membership might seem like a pretty good deal to the Irish.

A four team playoff without the Big 12 still beats the BCS.

I think you'll see something like the two highest ranked conference champions get auto bids with the two highest remaining also getting in. (Maybe 3-1 instead of 2-2, but it's not going to be four auto bids.)
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:43 PM   #5436
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The Big 12 would be playing with fire. Slive, Delaney, and Scott could easily tell Bowelsby to **** off and include the ACC instead. Suddenly, full membership might seem like a pretty good deal to the Irish.

A four team playoff without the Big 12 still beats the BCS.

I think you'll see something like the two highest ranked conference champions get auto bids with the two highest remaining also getting in. (Maybe 3-1 instead of 2-2, but it's not going to be four auto bids.)
There will be no playoff without the Big 12. It simply is not a possibility, the networks aren't going to sign on, it won't be accepted by the fans, without all 4 on board they will just stick with the BCS.

One reason why this rumor makes sense is because of an irrational fear of a CCG knocking out a team. (yeah the Big 12 got burned before, but its just as likely to help a team that needs a win)

If the Big 12 can just play their 12 games, they are probably fine with selecting best 4 available and presuming they'll always have a 12-0, 11-1, or strong 10-2 team make it. If you force them to play a CCG, which again they are irrationally afraid of, it would make sense for them to respond by insisting on conference champs. Whether or not they ultimately cave on that demand is another story, but you can see why they would make the demand in that case.
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There will be no playoff without the Big 12. It simply is not a possibility, the networks aren't going to sign on, it won't be accepted by the fans, without all 4 on board they will just stick with the BCS.

One reason why this rumor makes sense is because of an irrational fear of a CCG knocking out a team. (yeah the Big 12 got burned before, but its just as likely to help a team that needs a win)

If the Big 12 can just play their 12 games, they are probably fine with selecting best 4 available and presuming they'll always have a 12-0, 11-1, or strong 10-2 team make it. If you force them to play a CCG, which again they are irrationally afraid of, it would make sense for them to respond by insisting on conference champs. Whether or not they ultimately cave on that demand is another story, but you can see why they would make the demand in that case.
So the Big 12 is vital, but the ACC doesn't even get consideration? Try again. ACC teams have won a lot more NCs in the past few decades than current Big 12 teams.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:52 PM   #5438
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So the Big 12 is vital, but the ACC doesn't even get consideration? Try again. ACC teams have won a lot more NCs in the past few decades than current Big 12 teams.
I don't care, its not really relevant to my point. Give the ACC a veto if you want.
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I don't care, its not really relevant to my point. Give the ACC a veto if you want.
So all five conferences get an auto bid into a four team playoff?
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So all five conferences get an auto bid into a four team playoff?
Not sure what you are getting at. Obviously someone is not going to make it into the playoffs, and the committee will have to decide, in that hypothetical, very unlikely scenario, which champ (usually the ACC) is least-worthy.
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I think you misunderstood, I'm not saying that a playoff without a Big 12 team in it is unacceptable, obviously the Big 12 is going to have a bad year sometime, and the ACC cant be terrible every year. I'm saying that a playoff system that does not involve the Big 12 conference (or any of the other major conferences) is not possible.
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No, they left because of a grass-roots movement from Missouri fans and donors lobbying the curators. Left on their own, Deaton and the powers that be were more than likely not going anywhere.
Very good point. However, we know that Jay Nixon publically embarrassed himself, his state, and MU when he begged for the Big Ten and disparaged fellow Big 12 schools


At that point they almost had to leave as they were becoming a nuisance to not only KU but everyone else. On the other fan boards nobody even cared when they left other than KU
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I think you misunderstood, I'm not saying that a playoff without a Big 12 team in it is unacceptable, obviously the Big 12 is going to have a bad year sometime, and the ACC cant be terrible every year. I'm saying that a playoff system that does not involve the Big 12 conference (or any of the other major conferences) is not possible.
I understand that, but that brings us back to the conference champion bit. Lets just use this year as a hypothetical. Lets also assume that Notre Dame is eligible, because we know they aren't getting left out.

Given:
Notre Dame gets a slot (ranked #1).
SEC champ gets a slot. (ranked #2)

Wild devil's advocate scenarios:
KSU loses to Texas, and OU wins the Big 12
Wisconsin beats Nebraska and wins the Big 10
UCLA beats Stanford and wins the PAC
Georgia Tech beats FSU to win the ACC

You really think that two out of UCLA, Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, or Wisconsin get in over Oregon and Florida?

Oregon is 5th, and Florida is 6th. Oklahoma is 11th, UCLA is 12th, and Wisconsin and Georgia Tech don't get a single top 25 vote in any of the polls.

Why would the SEC let something like that happen when they are squirting ropes all over the current system?
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Very good point. However, we know that Jay Nixon publically embarrassed himself, his state, and MU when he begged for the Big Ten and disparaged fellow Big 12 schools


At that point they almost had to leave as they were becoming a nuisance to not only KU but everyone else. On the other fan boards nobody even cared when they left other than KU
What an odd post for a guy in Lee's Summit to make. I'd hate to think you're a liar and trying to circumvent a ban. That would be infraction worthy.
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