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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:53 AM   #5521
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I prefer to take polls and computers out of the whole thing myself but to each his own.
Do you acknowledge the fact that conference championships aren't designed to pick the best team in the conference over the full season of work?

They do not take into account out of conference play. You are advocating a system that literally disregards up to a third of a season. Should the NFL just ignore the results of the ten non-divisional games each season and just put the teams who won the most games within their division into the playoffs?
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:59 AM   #5522
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I have a question for everyone talking about Clemson and Florida State going to the Big 12.

Has Clemson ever given ANY indication that they would move? Florida State seems like they are going to wind up jumping ship, but I hear a ton of people talk like Clemson is a fait accompli, and I can't find anything out of Clemson that supports this. In fact, they seem like the biggest ACC backer in the conference.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:06 AM   #5523
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Do you acknowledge the fact that conference championships aren't designed to pick the best team in the conference over the full season of work?

They do not take into account out of conference play. You are advocating a system that literally disregards up to a third of a season. Should the NFL just ignore the results of the ten non-divisional games each season and just put the teams who won the most games within their division into the playoffs?
If there were 4-16 team divisions like we are discussing that wouldn't be the case. My way allows for things to be decided on the field and not by guessing, assuming, computers and pollsters. If you like those things then the BCS rankings system idea is the one for you.
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Do you acknowledge the fact that conference championships aren't designed to pick the best team in the conference over the full season of work?

They do not take into account out of conference play. You are advocating a system that literally disregards up to a third of a season. Should the NFL just ignore the results of the ten non-divisional games each season and just put the teams who won the most games within their division into the playoffs?
It also doesn't take into account the imbalance of conference schedules.

Florida this year had to play LSU and Texas A&M from the West.

South Carolina played LSU and Arkansas.

Georgia played Ole Miss & Auburn.

If South Carolina had beaten LSU, a team Georgia didn't have to play, there would have been a 3-way tie in the East and Florida would be in the SECCG.

It's not as simple as people want it to be with 1 team from each division and resulting in 1 team from 1 conference.
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Do you acknowledge the fact that conference championships aren't designed to pick the best team in the conference over the full season of work?

They do not take into account out of conference play. You are advocating a system that literally disregards up to a third of a season. Should the NFL just ignore the results of the ten non-divisional games each season and just put the teams who won the most games within their division into the playoffs?
The NFL playoff system doesn't account for what teams do in the pre-season.
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The NFL playoff system doesn't account for what teams do in the pre-season.
You think non-con games are equivalent to the NFL preseason?

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It also doesn't take into account the imbalance of conference schedules.

Florida this year had to play LSU and Texas A&M from the West.

South Carolina played LSU and Arkansas.

Georgia played Ole Miss & Auburn.

If South Carolina had beaten LSU, a team Georgia didn't have to play, there would have been a 3-way tie in the East and Florida would be in the SECCG.

It's not as simple as people want it to be with 1 team from each division and resulting in 1 team from 1 conference.
The decision for how conference champions are determined should be left to each conference. They don't have to all do it the same way. As long as rules are in place to determine the champion based on the play on the field, the subjective element is unnecessary and IMO undesirable.
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You think non-con games are equivalent to the NFL preseason?

What do you mean by equivalent? They're the same in the sense that they are real games that don't effect the final standings.
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If there were 4-16 team divisions like we are discussing that wouldn't be the case. My way allows for things to be decided on the field and not by guessing, assuming, computers and pollsters. If you like those things then the BCS rankings system idea is the one for you.
Yes it would. Conference champions aren't in any way influenced by out of conference records. You can be 0-4 out of conference and finish 7-5 overall and win the conference over a team that went 11-1 if you best that team head to head.

It's using tortured logic to find an excuse to prop up weaker conferences at the expense of putting the best teams into a playoff.
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What do you mean by equivalent? They're the same in the sense that they are real games that don't effect the final standings.
BS they don't. They affect the only final standings that matter - the BCS rankings.
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The decision for how conference champions are determined should be left to each conference. They don't have to all do it the same way. As long as rules are in place to determine the champion based on the play on the field, the subjective element is unnecessary and IMO undesirable.


If people with terrible logic like yours are in charge I hope they never change the current format. It's light years better than what you wrongly think is right.
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What do you mean by equivalent? They're the same in the sense that they are real games that don't effect the final standings.
Preseason games aren't real in the sense that they impact your record.
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Yes it would. Conference champions aren't in any way influenced by out of conference records. You can be 0-4 out of conference and finish 7-5 overall and win the conference over a team that went 11-1 if you best that team head to head.

It's using tortured logic to find an excuse to prop up weaker conferences at the expense of putting the best teams into a playoff.
There won't be any out of conference games. Just games again the other division within the conference.

It takes trying to guess who is the best 10-2 team that should get into a playoff out of the equation. Games and playoff teams are decided on the field like in the NFL. It's sort of the old MLB setup before it got watered down with wild cards and interleague play.

Anything that moves away from people and computers guessing I'm all for.
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There won't be any out of conference games. Just games again the other division within the conference.

It takes trying to guess who is the best 10-2 team that should get into a playoff out of the equation. Games and playoff teams are decided on the field like in the NFL. It's sort of the old MLB setup before it got watered down with wild cards and interleague play.
That will never fly - and it shouldn't. Non-con games generate big revenues and are big on entertainment. The only time you'd see conferences match up would be post-season? Terrible idea.
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BS they don't. They affect the only final standings that matter - the BCS rankings.
We're talking about hypothetical systems that replace the current BCS. Let me be more explicit for you:

Collegiate out-of-conference games are the same as NFL pre-season games in the sense that neither are used for entry into the championship tournament (actual in the case of the NFL, hypothetical in the case of a conference champions only college playoff).
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