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Old 12-04-2012, 07:51 AM  
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Why are Republicans voting down a UN disabilities treaty?

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affa...ail-in-senate-

UN disabilities treaty expected to fail in Senate amid GOP opposition
By Julian Pecquet
12/04/12 05:00 AM ET

Senate Republicans are expected on Tuesday to reject an international treaty affirming the rights of people with disabilities.

Democrats made a last-ditch effort to secure the two-thirds vote for ratification of the United Nations convention, but appeared to be well short of that mark ahead of Tuesday’s scheduled vote.

Conservative activists have come out in force against the treaty, warning it would pave the way for government interference in homeschooling. Supporters of the pact say it would merely extend the rights under the Americans With Disabilities Act to all nations.

“This is about Americans and raising the standard of how we treat Americans around the world,” said Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass.).

Democrats would need only 66 senators to ratify the treaty, due to the absence of Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), but Republican votes have been hard to come by.

Thirty-six Republican senators signed a letter to Senate leaders in September promising to oppose any treaty brought to a vote during the lame-duck session of Congress.

Democrats had hoped some of those senators would have a change of heart after the election, and were able to peel off two GOP votes last week when Sens. Orrin Hatch (Utah) and Scott Brown (Mass.) voted to proceed to the disabilities treaty on the Senate floor.

The 61-36 vote to proceed would not have been enough for ratification, however, and three Republicans who abstained from the September letter — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Sens. James Inhofe (Okla.) and Jerry Moran (Kan.) — voted no, further dimming Democratic hopes.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), who spearheaded the September letter, is working alongside former presidential candidate Rick Santorum, the Heritage Foundation and the Home School Legal Defense Association to ensure the treaty’s defeat. They warn it would create a U.N. committee that could impinge on U.S. sovereignty.

“Our concerns with this convention have nothing to do with any lack of concern for the rights of persons with disabilities,” Lee said last week. “They have everything to do with protecting U.S. sovereignty, protecting the interests of parents in the United States and the interests of families.”

Opponents of the treaty have also criticized it for not excluding abortion rights.

Democrats say the treaty stays neutral on abortion by calling on governments to offer people with disabilities the full range of family-planning services provided under domestic law.

Conservative groups pressed for the addition of language that would specify that the treaty does not create any new abortion rights, arguing that abortion is often a form of discrimination against people with disabilities.

All nine Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted for language excluding abortion rights when the treaty came before the panel in July. The amendment failed, and only three Republicans — Sens. Dick Lugar (Ind.), John Barrasso (Wyo.) and Johnny Isakson (Ga.) — joined the 10 Democrats on the panel voting for passage.

Democrats were trying Monday to convince on-the-fence Republicans that a “no” vote on the Senate floor would be politically painful.

The treaty has the support of a handful of Republican senators — including former presidential candidate John McCain (Ariz.) and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Barrasso — as well as many advocates for people with disabilities and the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) is expected to champion the treaty in a return to the Senate floor Tuesday after denouncing the “scare tactics” used by its opponents in a letter distributed Monday.

Democrats have also roped in former Attorney General and Pennsylvania Gov. Richard Thornburgh, who was President George H. W. Bush’s point man on the Americans With Disabilities Act in 1990.

The treaty, Thornburgh said Monday, would cede “no authority to the U.N. over the U.S. or any of its citizens. None. Zero.” He said the U.N. committee’s recommendations would be purely advisory and could not require the United States to change its laws or pass new ones and would not create any legal rights in state or federal courts.

The treaty was negotiated under President George W. Bush and was signed by President Obama in July 2009. It has been signed by at least 153 countries in addition to the United States.

Lee in his letter said the lame-duck session would not be an “appropriate” time for passage of treaties that will become the “supreme law of the land.”

Kerry countered by saying the Senate has passed treaties 19 times during lame-duck sessions. He said the sitting senators, who “did all the work” sitting in on the committee’s markup of the treaty this summer, should be the ones to vote on it.

President Obama, in a statement marking the International Day of Persons with Disabilities on Monday, said U.S. leadership on a key human-rights issue is at stake.

“Ratifying the convention in the Senate would reaffirm America’s position as the global leader on disability rights,” Obama said, “and better position us to encourage progress toward inclusion, equal opportunity, full participation, independent living and economic self-sufficiency for persons with disabilities worldwide.”
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:32 PM   #46
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It was rejected, by the way. A free America will live to see another day after all.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:43 PM   #47
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It was rejected, by the way. A free America will live to see another day after all.
No, we are only free when guided by the UN and international community /Dems
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:45 PM   #48
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Here's Article 7:

Article 7 - Children with disabilities

1. States Parties shall take all necessary measures to ensure the full enjoyment by children with disabilities of all human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis with other children.

2. In all actions concerning children with disabilities, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

3. States Parties shall ensure that children with disabilities have the right to express their views freely on all matters affecting them, their views being given due weight in accordance with their age and maturity, on an equal basis with other children, and to be provided with disability and age-appropriate assistance to realize that right.
You have identified the issue, government determines what is in the best interests of the child not the parents. This is new law.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:49 PM   #49
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I know this was voted down but I wonder I'd it would have covered kids disabled in one if our done attacks?
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:53 PM   #50
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Thankfully, Republican Senators disagreed with that Tri-lateral Commision puppet and pinko, commie pillowbiter Bob Dole and voted this assault on our sovereignty down....
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:56 PM   #51
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Your post? It doesn't.
Why?

Are you unaware of the deficit?

Do you think we have a lot of extra money burning a hole in our pockets?

Based on our economic situation. Should we be a) trying to cut spending or

b) spend money on admitted unnecessary stupid shit that is already covered and won't change or make a difference in our lives but still cost us money and involve the international community for no reason?
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:57 PM   #52
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Literature and Cosmo, please voluntarily report to the nearest FEMA concentr...uh, happy camp....
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:59 PM   #53
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I know this was voted down but I wonder I'd it would have covered kids disabled in one if our done attacks?
Islamic governments ratifying international UN treaties that direct them on what is in the best interest of their children? I think they would prefer more drone attacks.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:02 PM   #54
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You have identified the issue, government determines what is in the best interests of the child not the parents. This is new law.
That's absurd. There's no regulation that says anything remotely similar to that. In fact, the language is simply using the standard that American family law cases have developed for custody.
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I know this was voted down but I wonder I'd it would have covered kids disabled in one if our done attacks?
No, the Treaty explicitly exempts disabled kids who were blown apart by US drones.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:03 PM   #56
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Why?

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Based on our economic situation. Should we be a) trying to cut spending or

b) spend money on admitted unnecessary stupid shit that is already covered and won't change or make a difference in our lives but still cost us money and involve the international community for no reason?
Um, b). Obviously.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:04 PM   #57
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Um, b). Obviously.
I new you would see the light
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Because we like to work with (and take charge of) the international community. At least I do.
So you can work with them. Leave me out of it. I'm an American, not a United Natizen. I don't recognize their authority, nor do I care to work with most of the countries involved.
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As a home school family and members of the HSLDA we strongly petitioned our Senators to reject the treaty. If you are interested in why you can read the HSLDA position and 10 points of contention at: http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2012/201205250.asp

My biggests contention is with article 7(2) of the treaty. Currently federal law requires all public schools to provide special access and services to children with disabilities, but does not require these services be accepted. Under this treaty the decision on matters of schooling are determined by government according to the UN directives (another way of saying bureaucrats decide).

Through the HSLDA parents are fighting hard to ensure parents retain ultimate authority of what is best for the child instead of government. This is an issue of maintaining individual freedom.

Currently 35 Senators have promised to support a Constitutional Amendment identifying parents as the ultimate authority over decisions for their children. This assumed parental authority is tradition not law so many in the home school community see this as a fight for their rights.

That is idiotic. Child abusers are the ultimate authority over decisions for their children?

Are you that dumbass Charlie Fuqua or something?
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So you can work with them. Leave me out of it. I'm an American, not a United Natizen. I don't recognize their authority, nor do I care to work with most of the countries involved.
Okay. Fortunately for me, the United States government agrees with me.
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