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Old 12-31-2011, 03:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #9301
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Presuming that Holland is on the table (maybe he is not, we're just speculating here), with that contract and 6 years of control, Colon wouldn't come anywhere close to doing it, unless Texas is unusually desperate to dump payroll.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #9302
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I'm hoping for the best for the Royals here, but I'm expecting the worst.

And will it feel like a push for anyone else if we trade Myers and trot Frenchy out there yet again, regardless of who is in our trade-for cross hairs?
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:47 PM   #9303
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Oh wait, Holland is not a free agent until 2019. Last year the Rangers signed him to a big long-term contract that bought out a free agent year, with 2 team options for 2 more free agent years. He's under team control for potentially 6 more years, not 3.

That increases his value a bit, a Myers for Holland+someone else could be close to par.
It makes sense, too, that the Rangers would then trade Myers for Upton.

(Although, why not just hang on to Myers? Go with what you know, albeit inconsistent, rather than gamble that Myers is less than an all-star.)
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:48 PM   #9304
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Presuming that Holland is on the table (maybe he is not, we're just speculating here), with that contract and 6 years of control, Colon wouldn't come anywhere close to doing it, unless Texas is unusually desperate to dump payroll.
Texas is getting Upton.

It's not Texas that is taking a puzzlingly small return here, it's Arizona.

When you put it in the context of the 4-way deal, Cleveland is getting about what it should get for what it's giving up and the Rangers are getting about what they should get for what they're giving up.

The team that is getting fleeced is Arizona and they're getting fleeced at the Royals benefit.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:58 PM   #9305
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Arizona has the Allan Baird goggles on. They want/need a shortstop and that is what they want for Upton. Same shit when Baird traded Beltran. He wanted a 3rd base prospect.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:01 PM   #9306
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In the proposed 4 way:

Royals get Holland, give up Adam and Colon
Rangers get Upton, give up Holland and Olt
Indians get Olt and Adam?, give up Cabrerra
D-Backs get Cabrerra and Colon?, give up Upton
Don't give up Myers and get Holland? Where do I sign?
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:01 PM   #9307
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I could not describe the joy I would feel if the Royals managed to land Derek Holland while surrendering only Christian Colon and Jason Adam.

Hell, if necessary, send Yordano Ventura (or Mike Montgomery if they like him and think they can fix him - he and Bauer are former high school teammates and good friends) Arizona's way as well. Still would be a good deal for KC.
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Arizona has the Allan Baird goggles on. They want/need a shortstop and that is what they want for Upton. Same shit when Baird traded Beltran. He wanted a 3rd base prospect.
Then wait for the Hamilton dust to settle and demand Andrus from the Rangers.

Do they honestly think they won't be able to get Asdrubal freakin' Cabrera and a prospect of Colon's caliber if they don't do this deal now? Let the deal stew - you'll still be able to get this deal or something substantially similar in a month. If you can't get the Rangers to bite on Andrus, this deal will still be there.

This is just stupid.
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I changed my mind, I'd still happily take Holland and presume he's one of my best 3 pitchers, but he's not quite as valuable as I first thought. His away babip in 2012 was .236, it might not all be the Rangers ballpark, some of that away split may have been luck.

Colon + someone else or bullpen guy may be enough.
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He's in a bidding war between Texas and the Dodgers.
ok ... thought he was already off the market


maybe i'm thinking of when he got traded

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I changed my mind, I'd still happily take Holland and presume he's one of my best 3 pitchers, but he's not quite as valuable as I first thought. His away babip in 2012 was .236, it might not all be the Rangers ballpark, some of that away split may have been luck.

Colon + someone else or bullpen guy may be enough.
Pitchers can control BABIP a little more than hitters, so while he's going to normalize a little, it is possible that he was doing a nice job of pitching on the black when he needed to.

Besides, a great deal if Holland's value is derived from his strikeout potential and diminishing walk rate.
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I changed my mind, I'd still happily take Holland and presume he's one of my best 3 pitchers, but he's not quite as valuable as I first thought. His away babip in 2012 was .236, it might not all be the Rangers ballpark, some of that away split may have been luck.

Colon + someone else or bullpen guy may be enough.
His career away BABIP is .275 (.314 at home). Not freakish at all.

And in 2011, his best year, his split was .274/.343.
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Pitchers can control BABIP a little more than hitters, so while he's going to normalize a little, it is possible that he was doing a nice job of pitching on the black when he needed to.

Besides, a great deal if Holland's value is derived from his strikeout potential and diminishing walk rate.
.236 is not sustainable, though. Some pitchers might have a "normal" babip of .270 or so, this is too low to be real.

He's still good, but not so good that lesser prospects couldn't get him.
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