Chiefs Schefter- "Barkley Late first-round pick" Smith scouts "aren't completely wowed" - Page 9

ChiefsandO'sfan · 12-05-2012, 08:19 PM

ESPN's Adam Schefter stated on Mike & Mike Wednesday morning that USC QB Matt Barkley is viewed around the NFL as a "late first-round pick."
Schefter cited a relatively weak incoming quarterback class as reasons for Alex Smith and Michael Vick to "absolutely" have strong offseason markets. Smith is a trade candidate, while Vick is expected to be released after the Super Bowl. Per Schefter, Heisman finalist Collin Klein is viewed as a "late-round pick," and scouts "aren't completely wowed" by West Virginia QB Geno Smith. Barkley showed underwhelming arm strength as a college senior and was interception prone. We wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7421/matt-barkley

scho63 · 12-06-2012, 06:38 AM

I just want someone who can get the ball down the god damn field for a change! No more 5 yard completion averages and wounded ducks on deep passes....

htismaqe · 12-06-2012, 06:41 AM

Got roasted earlier in the year when I said that guys like Matt Miller and Matt Williamson were saying Barkley should go in the 20's.

He's just not an elite prospect.

Given the "new" value of drafted QBs (because of the CBA), I think he goes top 15. I think he's very similar in terms of overall talent vs. ceiling ratio as Christian Ponder.

**J Diddy** · 12-06-2012, 06:43 AM

The irony in all of this is that the same people who want us to draft a quarterback in the first are the same people who want us to lose out. If we get the 1 overall then we are going to shop it and move down or pick someone else. Pretty much the only way we get a first round quarterback is if we don't pick so high.

htismaqe · 12-06-2012, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

True. Cousins currently contributes nothing on gameday. Unless you include holding a clipboard.

You can get a guy like Cousins anywhere.

Hell, we have a guy JUST LIKE Cousins already on the roster.

htismaqe · 12-06-2012, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

The irony in all of this is that the same people who want us to draft a quarterback in the first are the same people who want us to lose out. If we get the 1 overall then we are going to shop it and move down or pick someone else. Pretty much the only way we get a first round quarterback is if we don't pick so high.

We're going to be picking in the top 3. We have no excuse not to take a QB.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-06-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We're going to be picking in the top 3. We have no excuse not to take a QB.

Yeah. We're not drafting OL no matter who comes in here. We have a lot of young, high round, draft picks on this roster, and they're banged up. It's QB or bust this year, and I have no doubt Clark is going to demand it. Regardless of who comes in.

the Talking Can · 12-06-2012, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonster

Whenever I've seen geno smith talk he's come across like a dick that taunts and has bad vocabulary. Complete opposite of an RGIII.

i'd love to see this, black bob....

Deberg_1990 · 12-06-2012, 07:13 AM

Where does Landry Jones fall? 2nd round? Why? He seems to have ideal size and arm strength.

Flame away......

htismaqe · 12-06-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Where does Landry Jones fall? 2nd round? Why? He seems to have ideal size and arm strength.

Flame away......

I think Landry Jones is a mid-1st guy. If Sam Bradford can be the #1 overall pick, Jones will go higher than most here expect.

Deberg_1990 · 12-06-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think Landry Jones is a mid-1st guy. If Sam Bradford can be the #1 overall pick, Jones will go higher than most here expect.

Kind of what i was thinking....maybe late 1st.

Fans put too much into pure wins/losses when evaluating. Thats just not how you evaluate college QBs for the pro game.

BigCatDaddy · 12-06-2012, 07:38 AM

Smith, Wilson, Barkley are as good if not better prospects then Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder were and look where they were drafted.

htismaqe · 12-06-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Smith, Wilson, Barkley are as good if not better prospects then Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder were and look where they were drafted.

Yep.

The new CBA changes the value chart considerably.

FWIW, Matt Williamson is on 810 WHB right now.

the Talking Can · 12-06-2012, 07:40 AM

just be virtue of need you'll have 4 QBs in the first, i think

smith
wilson
barkley
jones

Reerun_KC · 12-06-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Kind of what i was thinking....maybe late 1st.

Fans put too much into pure wins/losses when evaluating. Thats just not how you evaluate college QBs for the pro game.

OU fans hate him....

They hate the fact that he has proven he cant handle pressure or big games.

He turns the ball over or Cassels with the slighest bit of pressure... Also stated that since he got married. His failth and wife are more important than football..

But what the hell do OU fans know. Most of them hate the guy and are ready to see him leave...

Sorter · 12-06-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Smith, Wilson, Barkley are as good if not better prospects then Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder were and look where they were drafted.

I would take the 1st 3 over the 2nd group every single time.

Gabbert was weak in the pocket, Locker can't throw the ball accurately to save his life, and Ponder was just okay.

12-05-2012, 08:19 PM
ChiefsandO'sfan MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1369641	Schefter- "Barkley Late first-round pick" Smith scouts "aren't completely wowed" ESPN's Adam Schefter stated on Mike & Mike Wednesday morning that USC QB Matt Barkley is viewed around the NFL as a "late first-round pick." Schefter cited a relatively weak incoming quarterback class as reasons for Alex Smith and Michael Vick to "absolutely" have strong offseason markets. Smith is a trade candidate, while Vick is expected to be released after the Super Bowl. Per Schefter, Heisman finalist Collin Klein is viewed as a "late-round pick," and scouts "aren't completely wowed" by West Virginia QB Geno Smith. Barkley showed underwhelming arm strength as a college senior and was interception prone. We wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7421/matt-barkley
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12-06-2012, 06:41 AM	#122
htismaqe In the misty morning... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: on the edge of time... Casino cash: $1044370	Got roasted earlier in the year when I said that guys like Matt Miller and Matt Williamson were saying Barkley should go in the 20's. He's just not an elite prospect. Given the "new" value of drafted QBs (because of the CBA), I think he goes top 15. I think he's very similar in terms of overall talent vs. ceiling ratio as Christian Ponder. __________________ Don't live for pleasure, make life your treasure... \m/ Ronnie James Dio, 1942-2010 \m/
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12-06-2012, 06:43 AM	#123
J Diddy The savior is here Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Pitt State baby Casino cash: $126308	The irony in all of this is that the same people who want us to draft a quarterback in the first are the same people who want us to lose out. If we get the 1 overall then we are going to shop it and move down or pick someone else. Pretty much the only way we get a first round quarterback is if we don't pick so high.
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Deberg_1990 MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $140934	Where does Landry Jones fall? 2nd round? Why? He seems to have ideal size and arm strength. Flame away...... __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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BigCatDaddy The doctor of style Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $1028470	Smith, Wilson, Barkley are as good if not better prospects then Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder were and look where they were drafted. __________________ You a Jive So Bro
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the Talking Can MVP Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $302142	just be virtue of need you'll have 4 QBs in the first, i think smith wilson barkley jones __________________ Clark Hunt:a backup QB and an 8-8 record is worth 2 seconds"
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