Schefter- "Barkley Late first-round pick" Smith scouts "aren't completely wowed"

[ChiefsandO'sfan]

ESPN's Adam Schefter stated on Mike & Mike Wednesday morning that USC QB Matt Barkley is viewed around the NFL as a "late first-round pick."
Schefter cited a relatively weak incoming quarterback class as reasons for Alex Smith and Michael Vick to "absolutely" have strong offseason markets. Smith is a trade candidate, while Vick is expected to be released after the Super Bowl. Per Schefter, Heisman finalist Collin Klein is viewed as a "late-round pick," and scouts "aren't completely wowed" by West Virginia QB Geno Smith. Barkley showed underwhelming arm strength as a college senior and was interception prone. We wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round



http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7421/matt-barkley

[Mr_Tomahawk]

FAP 4 WILSON - SAVEOURCHIEFS

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

FAP 4 WILSON - SAVEOURCHIEFS

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

http://www.kcchiefsdraft.com/2012/12...iii/#more-2594


Geno Smith Isn’t RGIII

December 6th, 2012



Who does Geno Smith remind you of? (Photo: goldandbluezone.com)

KCCD Writer: Jonathan Hake

All over Kansas City, and the surrounding areas, fans are discussing the future of the Chiefs quarterback position. As fans we often try to compare players to others that came before so that we can better understand what to expect. Expecting Geno Smith to live up to RGIII is asking him to fulfill very large shoes that really don’t fit well.



Geno Smith is my top QB of the 2013 NFL draft but he isn’t Robert Griffin III. He isn’t Jason Campbell, Ben Rothlisberger, or Andrew Luck. These comparisons put unfair expectations on players and what they can or will do in their time with the team. The more important question is why are people making these connections?

Robert Griffin and Geno both got out to a very fast start their senior years. They have shown an ability to protect the ball and avoid interceptions. Both play in an up tempo spread offense that focuses on a lot of screens, options, and quick outs. They both have also shown an ability to punish a defense with the deep pass. These are the similarities but what are the differences?

Griffin will absolutely destroy you with his legs while Geno can scramble if it is the last resort or if the defense makes him an offer he can’t refuse. Baylor ran designed run plays for Griffin due to his ability to take any run to the house. Griffin has one of the best arms we have seen coming out of college and is a once in a generation prospect. Geno Smith has the potential to be in the elite QB category. He isn’t there yet and he isn’t nearly as close as RG III was coming out of college but the potential is there.

Jason Campbell is an understandable comparison and the worst case scenario for Geno. A player with the talent to start who needed a few seasons to put it together but never truly got a shot with a stable team. Campbell has been a player that has shown to be capable when shoved into the fire but never truly been “the guy.” He will run if you give him five yards and thank you for the free yards. Campbell has a strong arm and has enough accuracy to make almost any throw on the field. Campbell was missing a few traits that I believe Geno has: Geno’s release is quicker, he makes better pre snap reads, and he dissects a defense and punishes them for making mistakes. Campbell has always been a first read kind of quarterback especially coming out of college.

Ben Roethlisberger also was not the prospect that Geno Smith currently is. Roethlisberger has every bit the arm that Smith has but the way he made his throws coming into the draft needed improvement. Both Geno and Big Ben needed work with their footwork but Ben’s footwork was compounded by a slow release and a tendency for balls to wobble on him.

Geno throws tight spirals and a release that is only rivaled by Griffin’s in recent history. Roethlisberger had the added benefit of being huge and the ability to feel the pocket extremely well. He can bounce off of hits and give himself room to make those big plays. He needed the room because of the release and footwork but over the years he has become a much better technical passer.

Who does Geno Smith remind me of when I watch him play, Sam Bradford. They played in shotgun offenses in college, can make any throw on the field when given time, and are very good at recognizing and punishing a defense when they make a mistake. Bradford was a step ahead of Geno in his progression but the way they move in the pocket and the quick release they possess translates well to the NFL.

Bradford was a surefire prospect by many leading up to the 2010 draft. Bradford has had his challenges in the NFL, including injuries. He’s had to deal with multiple coaching and system changes which has led to him seeming uncomfortable in the pocket. He also has had very few weapons at his disposal in St. Louis. Bradford possesses a very calm demeanor he almost appears to not care. Smith doesn’t possess this quality. He is very animated when things go badly and equally as animated when things go well.

The key with drafting Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson, or Matt Barkley will be surrounding them with the right team and system. The team must be talented enough to support the QB and the system has to be catered to their strengths. Stability will become a necessity for at least the next three seasons. That is why a complete rebuild will need to take place this offseason.
If you allow ***** to stay and hire another head coach then you must be committed to him for the next three seasons at least. Head coach, offensive coordinator, and the offensive system need to be stable and allow the new QB the opportunity to use his talents. Can Clark Hunt look at the talent on this team and the performance on the field and say that the GM has done a good enough job to warrant another hire. If that decision is made then the organization needs to be committed and allow the next hires a chance to succeed.


There you go.

I disagree with that notion. We have a young ascending O line that's only going to get better so I don't see where a complete rebuild is needed. We probably need to add a weapon or two but behind our rushing attack a young QB should be able to thrive. Geno Smith making the reads when the D is stacking the box sounds like a beautiful thing to me.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Josh Freeman has had a really good season.

And his team still isn't winning enough for him to be anywhere near a top QB in the league. But he's come a long way this season, and I don't think anyone still considers him a potential bust.

He has clearly shown he has the ability this year to be a top QB. They need to turn in the wins for that to happen, though.

EDIT: just checked Freeman's stats in 2010 and actually they were really good. Freeman is the opposite of Cassel. Both had career years in 2010, made the playoffs at 10-6 with a new coach, and had mediocre to shit years before and after.

The difference now appears that the good year was a fluke for Cassel and the bad years a fluke for Freeman.

First off Cassel Sucks and I don't want him here never have never will. But there is something that we probably should all be somewhat thankful for.
That is that Weis didn't stick around or that we didn't bring in another OC that would have called plays and designed an offense solely around what Cassel can do.
Ironically that is probably/should be what we all want for our up and coming 1st round QB.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Jason Campbell is an understandable comparison

except for the...

Geno’s release is quicker, he makes better pre snap reads, and he dissects a defense and punishes them for making mistakes.

thing!

[the Talking Can]

wilson is the only acceptable option if we **** up getting smith...he has legit tools...

i have come 180 on barkley, he just looks maxed out...he can't pressure college defenses with his arm, what's he going to do with in the nfl?

if we waited 30 years for a QB and it is landry or murray I will hunt and kill black retard, then shoot myself in the face at a Whataburger drive-thru

[keg in kc]

Agree....Jones, Murray or Barkley...do not want!!!

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

wilson is the only acceptable option if we **** up getting smith...he has legit tools...

i have come 180 on barkley, he just looks maxed out...he can't pressure college defenses with his arm, what's he going to do with in the nfl?

if we waited 30 years for a QB and it is landry or murray I will hunt and kill black retard, then shoot myself in the face at a Whataburger drive-thru

WTF

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Bowser

WTF

Kind of makes a guy long for Jones or Murray doesn't it.

[Chiefnj2]

Sorry, but I don't see the Geno and Bradford comparison.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So being the best deep ball passer in the league and throwing 23 TD and 8 INT this year means nothing, eh?

GTFO.

AFC West.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by -King-

AFC West.

LOL

And 2010 was NFC West.

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Josh Freeman is a very good QB.

He will win a SB.

Disagree. He's a top 15 QB.

[BossChief]

The Black Troy Aikman.

[SNR]

Can we stop talking about Josh Freeman? There isn't a less interesting QB out there in the NFL.

Maybe if he played for a team that I had an opinion about