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Old 08-31-2012, 07:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 12-06-2012, 06:47 PM   #961
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Faith healing results in death of another child

Protecting the lives of children, even from their own parents, is the duty of the state. In most cases, the state does its best to step in when children are being abused and neglected.

But when religion is involved the lines become blurred. In Wisconsin, for example, the state protects children from a parent who would intentionally deny a child necessary medical care-unless they are doing it because of their religion. Wisconsin’s prayer treatment exception doesn’t shield parents from homicide prosecutions, only prosecutions for child abuse and neglect.

But in the case of the Neummans, whose child slowly died of diabetes while they prayed for her, the parents now argue that Wisconsin’s law did not give them clear notice of when medical care became necessary under the law. The Neummans’ defense is that the faith healing exemption is ambiguous and they weren’t sure at what point it applied.

Today the Neummans will attempt to persuade the state Supreme Court to overturn their homicide convictions, because they believe the state law protects them from prosecution. “The case presents charged questions for the court about where religious freedom ends. The justices for the first time will have to weigh whether the state’s faith-healing exemptions protect parents from criminal liability if their choices lead to a child’s death,” said one Associated Press article.

The obvious solution to future problems like this is to remove faith healing exemptions completely. If an adult rejects medical treatment, that is his or her choice. But children’s medical decisions are not their own and they should not lose their lives due to another’s religious beliefs-even their parents’.

Today 31 states have child-abuse religious exemptions. When a child is being abused or neglected, the justifications for it shouldn’t matter-abuse is abuse. Neglect is neglect. Especially when it comes to life and death, the state must put the welfare of children above the religious beliefs of the parents.

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:57 PM   #962
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Heres a picture I took, a look at lots of stars, odds of life on any of them?

To the eye, this cosmic composition nicely balances the Bubble Nebula at the lower right with open star cluster M52. The pair would be lopsided on other scales, though. Embedded in a complex of interstellar dust and gas and blown by the winds from a single, massive O-type star, the Bubble Nebula, also known as NGC 7635, is a mere 10 light-years wide. On the other hand, M52 is a rich open cluster of around a thousand stars. The cluster is about 25 light-years across. Seen toward the northern boundary of Cassiopeia, distance estimates for the Bubble Nebula and associated cloud complex are around 11,000 light-years, while star cluster M52 lies nearly 5,000 light-years away. The wide telescopic field of view spans about 1.5 degrees on the sky or three times the apparent size of the Full Moon.

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:47 PM   #963
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Dude you and I both no it was the first guy to say: "Hey I got this cave, I'm on Patmos, crap I got to get this done before anyone else does."
Hah, yeah, very good chance of that. I haven't looked into it much.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:52 PM   #964
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Heres a picture I took, a look at lots of stars, odds of life on any of them?
If we start with an infinite universe, then there is life on other planets. Name off whatever odds you want of it happening and those odds become infinity/x. You can then narrow it down to just the known universe if you want. I quickly googled it and came up with about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars estimated to exist within our knowledge. What are the chances that two of those stars support life? I'd say pretty high.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:14 AM   #965
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It's in Revelations. I assume that it is written as John of Patmos' attempt to explain visions and insights that he felt were important.
....it's the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Not plural. The only prophetic book in the NT.

...common mistake, just a fyi.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:18 AM   #966
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I know! 75% of Americans believe that they will go to heaven, but God has told us that only a few will get in. If God is right (His claim may just be a parable and He means something other than what He said), then many of you are deluding yourselves. You actually think that God is going to let you be one of the lucky few? Most will be all gussied up for the Pearly Gates only to learn instead that their flesh will be torn from their bodies as lava is poured into their eye sockets. For eternity. Are you one of the most who will suffer eternal torture, or one of the few chosen to enjoy eternal bliss?



I went to Patmos & visited the place where John wrote the book of Rev. Coolest dang cave in town! Great view, desk of stone jutting out from the wall. Very inspiring.
luck has nothing to do with it.

then again. you're just trolling.
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I know! 75% of Americans believe that they will go to heaven, but God has told us that only a few will get in. If God is right (His claim may just be a parable and He means something other than what He said), then many of you are deluding yourselves. You actually think that God is going to let you be one of the lucky few? Most will be all gussied up for the Pearly Gates only to learn instead that their flesh will be torn from their bodies as lava is poured into their eye sockets. For eternity. Are you one of the most who will suffer eternal torture, or one of the few chosen to enjoy eternal bliss?
Many are called, few are chosen. Did you have a vision for that lava thing? Not sure if serious.
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Three out of five scientists do not believe in God, but two out of five do, said John Donvan, opening a debate on the issue of science and religion yesterday (Dec. 5) in New York.

The discussion pitted the perspectives from both sides against one another: Does science refute religion? Or does science address a different set of questions, with answers that can point toward religious truths?

No finely tuned universe

"Tonight, I want to emphasize that 500 years of science have demonstrated that God, that vague notion, is not likely," said Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist at Arizona State University and one of two debaters arguing that science has rendered religion moot in this Intelligence Squared Debate.

Proponents for religion argue that the universe is finely tuned for life, with certain fundamental parameters in nature that make our existence possible. But Krauss turned this argument on its head.

"We would be surprised to find ourselves in a universe in which we couldn't live," Krauss said. What's more, "most of the universe is rather inhospitable to life."

Answering different questions

On the other side, Dinesh D'Souza, an author and former policy analyst, argued that the two — science and religion — are fundamentally separate.

"The questions to which God is the answer are not scientific questions," D'Souza said. Humans around the world want to know why the universe exists, the purpose of our existence and what will come afterward. Science doesn't "have a clue" as to the answers to these questions, D'Souza said.

"Why? Because none of these questions is amenable to being described empirically," he said. "Science can show us how we got a universe, but not why."

A modern, Christian perspective

The debate, which included an audience vote at the end, focused on a modern, mainstream interpretation of religion and God, rather than a fundamentalist take. So, there was no discussion of creationism or a literal interpretation of Scripture, for example. Both D'Souza and his fellow team member, Ian Hutchinson, a professor of nuclear science and engineering at MIT, acknowledge science as a powerful tool for understanding the world. [Tall Tales? 10 Creation Myths Explained]

Hutchinson pointed out the discussion centered on central tenets of religious faith, not peripheral issues, such as the centuries-old Christian belief that the sun orbited Earth, which science long ago debunked.

Both Hutchinson and D'Souza, who supported the compatibility of science and religion, are Christian, a point their opponents picked up on.

In the last 10,000 years, about 10,000 different religions have featured 1,000 different gods, said Michael Shermer, founding publisher of Skeptic magazine, adding that D'Souza and Hutchinson reject all but one of those gods, bringing them almost in line with atheists, who reject all of them.

"What I am asking you to do is go one god further with us," Shermer said.

But D'Souza and Hutchinson disputed this, saying they did not see other religions as "wrong." All religions can be seen as human enterprises to gain knowledge beyond the empirical, D'Souza said.

The nearly universal impulse

When asked about personal religious experiences, Shermer said advancements in neuroscience are showing how changes in the brain create phenomenon responsible for them, such as out-of-body experiences.

“The experiences are real, what we want to know is what do they represent,” Shermer said.

D'Souza responded: If 95 out of 100 people in a village say they know a villager named Bill, the simplest explanation is that Bill exists, he said. Likewise, widespread religious experience is unlikely to be the result of a mass hallucination, he said. [8 Ways Religion Impacts Your Life]

Krauss disagreed: "The fact something may be relatively universal suggests we may be programmed to believe in certain things. That doesn't mean they exist."

Shermer offered an evolutionary theory behind the universal religious impulse among humans. A propensity to make false-positive errors, such as assuming a predator was rustling the grass when it was only the wind, offered a survival advantage; in that way, our ancestors acquired a tendency to infer the existence of intentional forces. As human groups grew larger, religion evolved as a mechanism for social control, a source of morality — one that is no longer needed, he said.

"We know we can do it without God," Shermer said.

D'Souza, meanwhile, maintained that morality is beyond the realm of science, and he referred to theories that purport to explain away religion, as "pop psychology."

Pointing to God

"The last good argument against God came out in the 1850s," D'Souza said, referring to Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. (He later said Darwin lost his faith as a result of the death of his daughter, not because of his theory.)

Since then, "Science has made a whole bunch of discoveries, but they point in the opposite direction," D'Souza said.

For example, before the Big Bang theory came about, most scientists believed the universe was eternal, but this theory posited that the universe, as well as space and time, had a beginning.

"This was something the ancient Hebrews had said thousands of years ago," D'Souza said.

Krauss, who has worked in cosmology, had a very different take.

"We have a plausible explanation of how the universe could come from nothing," Krauss said. "Science has taught us we don't need God to exist."

Scientism & purpose

In summation, Hutchinson cautioned that his opponents were overreaching, and in so doing, damaging science. "Talking as if science is all the real knowledge there is alienates people from science who know better," he said, calling this approach "scientism" rather than science.

As science has explained the laws of nature, the gods humans once used to explain the world around us have progressively fallen by the wayside, Krauss said.

He also addressed D'Souza's earlier assertion that science cannot answer "why."

"'Why' presupposes purpose, what if there is no purpose? Does there need to be a purpose?" he said.

Audience polls before and after the debate revealed a winning team: Krauss and Shermer, who increased their share of the votes from 37 percent to 50 percent, while D'Souza's and Hutchinson's share increased by 4 percentage points, from 34 percent to 38 percent.



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Old 12-07-2012, 01:43 PM   #969
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"'Why' presupposes purpose, what if there is no purpose? Does there need to be a purpose?" he said.


in other words, life has no meaning. nor purpose....riiiiight.
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in other words, life has no meaning. nor purpose....riiiiight.
That's not the way I read it. I took it as a response to asking why the universe is here in the first place, not as to if there is no meaning in the life of an every day person.
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in other words, life has no meaning. nor purpose....riiiiight.
That's not the way I interpret it.

Divine creation has no purpose. Life has plenty of purpose. You can have purpose in life without requiring a purposeful divine creation story.
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That's not the way I interpret it.

Life has plenty of purpose.
why?
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awww.....that's cute.
It's human nature to wonder about our beginnings and how the universe came to be 14 billion years ago. But we've evolved past the point of needing to attribute it to a magic bearded man in a cloud castle because we don't understand. That was my take at least. Make fun of it if you must.
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Why does life have purpose? That's probably a question that changes depending on who you ask. For me, my life has purpose because it perpetuates to my offspring. The decisions I make and the things I do affect how my daughter will grow and experience her own life. That gives me a great deal of purpose in life.
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magic bearded man in a cloud castle because we don't understand. That was my take at least. Make fun of it if you must.
irony.
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