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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 12-09-2012, 04:32 PM   #3676
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Hell my adrenaline gets flowing when I fondle my gun man wtf
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:41 PM   #3677
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Where did you hear this? Because he was fighting with an X?

Just think before you lay your hands on people and you will probably be ok man.
  • There was a domestic dispute with an ex. On myspace, he referred to as an "ex ho"
  • There was the incident with the cop (you already referenced it) that pretty clearly shows he has a short fuse.
  • Zimmerman was fired for being too aggressive at a security job. Likely from an incident where allegedly he threw a girl that was acting too drunk and she twisted her ankle.
  • Zimmerman had 911 called when he was creating a disturbance at the clubhouse obviously heated enough to warrant a 911 call. Over payment of food.

Couple that with Zimmerman ranting on myspace about Mexicans breaking into cars. Then his 911 call where he was calling Trayvon an asshole, and said something like "****ing punks."

Where there's smoke there's fire. This guy has some serious rage issues. And has a history of being overzealous. You can't act like this doesn't play into how he would have likely reacted in the time between the phone call and the scuffle.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:52 PM   #3678
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Investigating is fine. Taking matters into your own hands is another thing, especially when you do that while carrying a firearm.
He was investigating either way. Its upsetting that Martin lost his life, but I just don't see how Zimmerman should go to jail for defending himself and his neighborhood.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:54 PM   #3679
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  • There was a domestic dispute with an ex. On myspace, he referred to as an "ex ho"
  • There was the incident with the cop (you already referenced it) that pretty clearly shows he has a short fuse.
  • Zimmerman was fired for being too aggressive at a security job. Likely from an incident where allegedly he threw a girl that was acting too drunk and she twisted her ankle.
  • Zimmerman had 911 called when he was creating a disturbance at the clubhouse obviously heated enough to warrant a 911 call. Over payment of food.

Couple that with Zimmerman ranting on myspace about Mexicans breaking into cars. Then his 911 call where he was calling Trayvon an asshole, and said something like "****ing punks."

Where there's smoke there's fire. This guy has some serious rage issues. And has a history of being overzealous. You can't act like this doesn't play into how he would have likely reacted in the time between the phone call and the scuffle.

So what's your point? There is no law for being a scumbag.... Also if he was a serious offender he would have never been issued a CCW.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:00 PM   #3680
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So what's your point? There is no law for being a scumbag.... Also if he was a serious offender he would have never been issued a CCW.
The point is that you have a guy with clear rage issues who was given patrol responsibilities without doing background checks, and you have a guy who was literally negotiating a deal to bargain down a sentence in order to get a CCW.

The fact that this guy got a CCW should be an insult to the majority of CCW people I know that are unbelievably responsible about their right to carry.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:02 PM   #3681
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The point is that you have a guy with clear rage issues who was given patrol responsibilities without doing background checks, and you have a guy who was literally negotiating a deal to bargain down a sentence in order to get a CCW.

The fact that this guy got a CCW should be an insult to the majority of CCW people I know that are unbelievably responsible about their right to carry.
Oh you are really reaching now....
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:03 PM   #3682
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He was investigating either way. Its upsetting that Martin lost his life, but I just don't see how Zimmerman should go to jail for defending himself and his neighborhood.
I didn't say he should go to jail.

But can we cut the crap that Zimmerman was investigating? Zimmerman is a guy without a badge who was trying to be a cop. Even the cops said that the whole thing would have been avoided if Zimmerman did 2 simple things, which Zimmerman knew damn well what those 2 things were. He almost got himself killed and he killed a teenager because of his damn stupidity, and people shouldn't defend him for that.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:06 PM   #3683
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I didn't say he should go to jail.

But can we cut the crap that Zimmerman was investigating? Zimmerman is a guy without a badge who was trying to be a cop. Even the cops said that the whole thing would have been avoided if Zimmerman did 2 simple things, which Zimmerman knew damn well what those 2 things were. He almost got himself killed and he killed a teenager because of his damn stupidity, and people shouldn't defend him for that.

You are speculating something that has not been reported again.
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T should have never placed his hands on Z, had he not done that, he would not have been killed that night but he was on the wrong path in life and could have been later on, especially if he had a violent temper like that.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:10 PM   #3685
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Oh you are really reaching now....
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is a guy who loves to pick fights and has a short fuse. And that he is disgusted with people. I'm sorry, I support CCW, but if you think this guy deserved to have it then I think that's an insult to the vast majority of people with CCW who take that right very seriously.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:13 PM   #3686
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is a guy who loves to pick fights and has a short fuse. And that he is disgusted with people. I'm sorry, I support CCW, but if you think this guy deserved to have it then I think that's an insult to the vast majority of people with CCW who take that right very seriously.
How in the hell does he have a short fuse? He was attacked and his head was slammed on the ground... Would that make you mad if your head was repeatedly slammed on the ground?
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this is a guy who loves to pick fights and has a short fuse. And that he is disgusted with people. I'm sorry, I support CCW, but if you think this guy deserved to have it then I think that's an insult to the vast majority of people with CCW who take that right very seriously.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:19 PM   #3688
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How in the hell does he have a short fuse? He was attacked and his head was slammed on the ground... Would that make you mad if your head was repeatedly slammed on the ground?
Are you serious? Because we just covered this.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:22 PM   #3689
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He was investigating either way. Its upsetting that Martin lost his life, but I just don't see how Zimmerman should go to jail for defending himself and his neighborhood.
I fully support defending yourself and your neighborhood. The sub division I live in has a neighborhood watch. There is a meeting every month. We are very lucky because there are several law enforcement officers who live here. They are trained and know what they are doing. Luckily we don't have a self elected wanna be badass roaming the the area looking to be a a hero. If he would have monitored the situation while staying in contact with real law enforcement this would have never happened. Had he been in his yard and asked this kid what he was doing, which the led to a fight in which he felt his life was in danger and pulled his gun I would have zero issue. He however was not in a situation where he had no choice. He chose to get out of his car with a gun and confront this kid. It quickly went bad and I have no doubt he felt he was in a very dangerous situation. Had he not caused this confrontation by getting out of his car, or if it would have happened in his yard I would feel differently. I grew up with guns and have several in my home. I will go rightwing stupid on the subject of having the right to own them or carry them for that matter even though I do not carry one. My stance is simple George Zimmerman is no hero~
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:24 PM   #3690
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Are you serious? Because we just covered this.
He did not touch T man he followed him , you are acting like he drew that gun and was shooting at his ass the whole time.

T initiated his own fate by attacking Z and taking it to far....

Here's a lesson to you too since you seem to be ignorant on the subject...

If you are in my neighborhood and you look suspicious and I get in my truck to see what you are doing behind my neighbors house... Just keep running, don't double back and even think about attacking me, especially if you think you are gonna slam my skull into some concrete.

Learn Grasshopper, being cockstrong can get you hurt real bad or worse in life.
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