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Old 12-09-2012, 09:03 AM  
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SCOTUS to take on allowing Gays to marry. What say you?

There are two cases(DOMA and Proposition 8) to be heard by the SCOTUS this session.

At the base of the question is do gay Americans have the same rights as heterosexual Americans? And if so, do they need their constitutional rights protected at the federal level.

I've never had an openly gay friend, co-worker or family member. I did coach a little league baseball team. On that team I had a player with two Mom's. The players and the parents accepted the kid of the two Mom's as any other player. The other parents let their kids go over to the two Mom's house for sleepovers etc. It wasn't a factor to consider in the slightest.

I don't have any personal experience to know what rights is actually being denied. However, I believe that for whatever reason they were born that way. It's not a choice. You can't pray it out of them. You can't give them therapy and turn them into heterosexuals. They are what they are naturally and we should just accept them.

IMHO, the government/city/state/society have no right to tell it's citizens what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. some of our citizens who they can and who they can't love. Who they can and can't marry. History will not be kind to the discrimination of gays, with cause. It's time to end this era of gay discrimination.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:24 AM   #166
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Im seeing a pattern here.

But with your tendency to revise history to fit your political views, I shouldn't be surprised. The "real" unbiased historians are clear on which party was on the wrong side of history almost every time in our history as a country dating all the way back to the revolution.
I don't know how you can doubt the case on slavery, civil rights or women's suffrage (assuming you think the right side of history involves equality for black Americans and voting for women). No "real" unbiased historian will tell you different.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:34 AM   #167
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I don't know how you can doubt the case on slavery, civil rights or women's suffrage (assuming you think the right side of history involves equality for black Americans and voting for women). No "real" unbiased historian will tell you different.
Right. I'm not going to get into he said she said. The history is clear. You can call BS. Doesn't change history.

Republicans came out against child labor laws. They fought against women's suffrage. Republicans were against Social Security, and the New Deal, the 40 hour work week and giving workers the right to bargain collectively. They stood shoulder to shoulder against the GI Bill. They were livid over LBJ's Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Republicans fought to repeal the Glass-Steagal Banking Act of 1933. They were firmly opposed to Medicare and Medicaid. So being opposed to equality of gays is not really a surprise.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:36 AM   #168
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Right. I'm not going to get into he said she said. The history is clear. You can call BS. Doesn't change history.

Republicans came out against child labor laws. They fought against women's suffrage. Republicans were against Social Security, and the New Deal, the 40 hour work week and giving workers the right to bargain collectively. They stood shoulder to shoulder against the GI Bill. They were livid over LBJ's Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Republicans fought to repeal the Glass-Steagal Banking Act of 1933. They were firmly opposed to Medicare and Medicaid.
Yeah, you definitely need a history lesson.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:40 AM   #169
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:06 AM   #170
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BS. You don't get to dictate how I am on this board. You and redneckraider get to call me all kinds of names, hurl insults and then I use the term RWNJ thats not even directed at any individual, you get on your high horse. You and the others chose this path. I will not just accept the insults and not respond in kind. You back off, I will also.

But in this case, it should only offend RWNJ's. If you are one, then you deserve to be offended. They are just modern day anarchists. They hate this situation so lets just blow everything up.

And JFC, I don't consider you, patteau or 99.9% or the R's on this board RWNJ's.
Ah yes, the vaunted 'I'm not talking about all black people, just the N****ers' defense.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:08 AM   #171
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You RWNJ's just don't get it. This isn't about contracts. It's about the constitution. About all men are created equally. That all citizens have a right to life, liberty and happiness.

It's not a hard concept to comprehend. The American people have moved on. They are ready for full equality for gay's. The R's are always on the wrong side of history. Slow to adapt to our changing society. Maybe this time, the R's won't try to block equality for gays. They will just move on like the rest of America has moved on.
How exactly, and by exactly I mean precisely, is the govt interfering with any citizen's right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness on this issue?
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:10 AM   #172
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Yeah, you definitely need a history lesson.
Everett Dirksen. If I recall, didn't he introduce the Civil Rights Act?
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:15 AM   #173
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Right. I'm not going to get into he said she said. The history is clear. You can call BS. Doesn't change history.

Republicans came out against child labor laws. They fought against women's suffrage. Republicans were against Social Security, and the New Deal, the 40 hour work week and giving workers the right to bargain collectively. They stood shoulder to shoulder against the GI Bill. They were livid over LBJ's Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Republicans fought to repeal the Glass-Steagal Banking Act of 1933. They were firmly opposed to Medicare and Medicaid. So being opposed to equality of gays is not really a surprise.
Seriously. Please learn history and come back to this post.
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There are two cases(DOMA and Proposition 8) to be heard by the SCOTUS this session.

At the base of the question is do gay Americans have the same rights as heterosexual Americans? And if so, do they need their constitutional rights protected at the federal level.

I've never had an openly gay friend, co-worker or family member. I did coach a little league baseball team. On that team I had a player with two Mom's. The players and the parents accepted the kid of the two Mom's as any other player. The other parents let their kids go over to the two Mom's house for sleepovers etc. It wasn't a factor to consider in the slightest.

I don't have any personal experience to know what rights is actually being denied. However, I believe that for whatever reason they were born that way. It's not a choice. You can't pray it out of them. You can't give them therapy and turn them into heterosexuals. They are what they are naturally and we should just accept them.

IMHO, the government/city/state/society have no right to tell it's citizens what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. some of our citizens who they can and who they can't love. Who they can and can't marry. History will not be kind to the discrimination of gays, with cause. It's time to end this era of gay discrimination.
Because this is worthy of the Supreme Court's time and energy.
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Everett Dirksen. If I recall, didn't he introduce the Civil Rights Act?
He crafted the legislation that led to the coalition that assured the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

It's a little more nuanced than 'he was the champion of equality' but still honorable and impressive.

Civil Rights was an immensely contentious issue. Liberal northern Dems wanted much more radical changes. Republicans wanted just the most basic of protections. Blue Dog Southern Dems wanted nothing.

Dirksen navigated the waters to craft a proposal that was measured but meaningful and did the scut work and arm twisting to get it passed.
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the first black members of congress were republicans and served against threats to champion for rights to minorities.

It is just silly people that think like that
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:33 AM   #177
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Everett Dirksen. If I recall, didn't he introduce the Civil Rights Act?
Yep. And by doing so, he was instrumental in breaking a democrat filibuster. Wrong side of history: democrats.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:35 AM   #178
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He crafted the legislation that led to the coalition that assured the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

It's a little more nuanced than 'he was the champion of equality' but still honorable and impressive.

Civil Rights was an immensely contentious issue. Liberal northern Dems wanted much more radical changes. Republicans wanted just the most basic of protections. Blue Dog Southern Dems wanted nothing.

Dirksen navigated the waters to craft a proposal that was measured but meaningful and did the scut work and arm twisting to get it passed.
You *don't* need a history lesson. If you're interested in tutoring someone, my friend, BigRedChief, could use your help.
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What's sillier than a Democrat-vs-Republican historical feats fight?
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