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Old 12-11-2012, 09:59 AM  
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2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:24 PM   #61
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1) Thank you for creating the 2013 thread, Duncan.

2) Is ChiefsandO'sFan banned from trolling this thread?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:27 PM   #62
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Alright damnit...after a couple of days, I'm calm about the trade and ready to go.

I'm excited we'll actually be fielding a major league caliber rotation.

I'm all in and can't frickin wait for the season.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:29 PM   #63
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...s-shields.html

The Tigers offered Avisail Garcia and several prospects for Shields, and they probably would have gotten him if we didn't come in with Myers.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:32 PM   #64
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1) Thank you for creating the 2013 thread, Duncan.

2) Is ChiefsandO'sFan banned from trolling this thread?
If not he should be. Dude is annoying as ****
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:42 PM   #65
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Rany had the same boner for Kila too.
Wasn't close to the same argument. Back then, he didn't argue that Kila was the best young hitter in the minors. He effectively argued that a team as flawed as the Royals at the time should give him a shot.
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exactly. We were running Ross Gload out ther every day, with Kila tearing up the minors. That's why he wanted Kila to get a shot. He didn't compare him to great ML players, or what a star Kila could be. He said he was a cheap minor league option that was producing, would cost the fraction of what Gload was costing, and at WORST would put up similar production... at best would have multiplied it.

Guess what? In 2010 Kila got 180 at bats and stunk it up.. he still outproduced with those limited AB's what Gload was doing with nearly 400 AB's.

In 2009, they brought in an expensive Mike Jacobs to give us less production than what it would have cost to have Kila do that.

That's BAD GM'ing.
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Sorry if repost. Moore gets pantys in wad and wreaking of Pioli here.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove12/st...tampa-bay-rays

Kansas City Royals general manager Dayton Moore is going for it, and he's not happy that he's taking heat for his approach.


Moore acquired former All-Star James Shields and fellow right-hander Wade Davis from Tampa Bay in a six-player deal Sunday that sent top prospects Wil Myers and Jake Odorizzi, along with two other minor leaguers, to the Rays.


There is no question the Royals improved their pitching staff, but they paid a premium for a marginal upgrade, Keith Law writes. Blog


Multiple media outlets have blasted the move, saying the Royals gave up too much. ESPN.com's Keith Law wrote that "the deal reeks of a GM feeling pressure to improve short-term performance to keep his job, which is a terrible situation for any executive both personally and for the way it can inhibit his ability to make rational decisions."



"To me, that's insulting," Moore told USA Today Sports on Monday. "That's very insulting. Very, very insulting. I don't get too bent up about criticism, and I want to take the high road here, but that's insulting my integrity."


The Royals haven't made the playoffs since 1985, even though the AL Central has looked very winnable over the years. The Royals -- 23rd in ERA last season -- dealt for arms from the Rays, the team with baseball's best ERA.


Still, many believe Myers -- who batted .314 with 37 home runs and 109 RBIs in 134 games at Northwest Arkansas and Triple-A Omaha -- was too big a piece to surrender. Law wrote: "This looks very much like the deal that, barring something completely unexpected, will be the move that brings Dayton Moore's tenure in Kansas City, one marked by massive improvement in the team's farm system, to an end."


Moore, who has been the Royals' GM since 2006, said he's not making moves to keep his job.


"If something happened, I couldn't get another job in baseball? Is that what people think?'' he said, according to USA Today Sports.


The Royals were 72-90 last season and haven't had a winning season since 2003, but Moore is banking on a revamped veteran rotation to turn things around. In addition to their trade with the Rays, the Royals acquired 29-year-old right-hander Ervin Santana from the Los Angeles Angels and signed free-agent right-hander Jeremy Guthrie, 33, to a three-year contract.



"When you can acquire a pitcher like James Shields and Wade Davis, we have to do it, because that's what we've committed to our team -- we've committed to our organization," Moore said after the trade. "It's important that we start winning games
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And maybe Myers isn't worth what his public prospect rankings would suggest, which seems plausible if, as Jeff Passan reported, the A's really turned down a straight-up swap of Myers for the fragile left arm of Brett Anderson.
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They'll keep him in the minors for a month to save on service time and then bring him up in May.
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I don't think he intentionally means to be that way. He just has absolutely zero self-awareness.
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Sorry if repost. Moore gets pantys in wad and wreaking of Pioli here.
I don't really have a problem with him getting pissed, I was extremely surprised that Law would do that.

Its one thing for random message board fans like us to wildly speculate, but for a guy working at ESPN to accuse a GM of doing something that is not in the team's best interest just to save his job, is a very serious accusation. You kinda need proof for that, it would be like a local reporter, with no evidence at all, writing that maybe the mayor and the local police chief are both on the take.
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I don't really have a problem with him getting pissed, I was extremely surprised that Law would do that.

Its one thing for random message board fans like us to wildly speculate, but for a guy working at ESPN to accuse a GM of doing something that is not in the team's best interest just to save his job, is a very serious accusation. You kinda need proof for that, it would be like a local reporter, with no evidence at all, writing that maybe the mayor and the local police chief are both on the take.
That's what they are paid to do. It was my first thought on the trade as well so it's not exactly far fetched. I thought the line about him being able to get another job in baseball was pretty stupid though. I would hope he actually valued not having to up root his family and head to another city for a likely demotion.
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I don't really have a problem with him getting pissed, I was extremely surprised that Law would do that.

Its one thing for random message board fans like us to wildly speculate, but for a guy working at ESPN to accuse a GM of doing something that is not in the team's best interest just to save his job, is a very serious accusation. You kinda need proof for that, it would be like a local reporter, with no evidence at all, writing that maybe the mayor and the local police chief are both on the take.
That article is an excellent example of why Keith Law will have a really hard time working in baseball again.

I like his takes most of the time... but he occasionally goes off the deep end with arrogance/insults.
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