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Old 12-11-2012, 05:15 PM   #91
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That is a slam dunk firing offense right there.
It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, ****.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, **** it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the **** can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:18 PM   #92
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It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, ****.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, **** it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the **** can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.
"Get Bowe and Breaston a breather"? In a 7-0 game when he's supposedly fighting for his job. Holy shit.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:19 PM   #93
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It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, ****.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, **** it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the **** can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.
Haley did not get saddled with Muir. No way.

In the Haley v. Pioli fight, I will side with Haley 9 times out of 10.

But this one is just flat wrong. He WAS tanking the Jets game, it was obvious.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:21 PM   #94
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"Get Bowe and Breaston a breather"? In a 7-0 game when he's supposedly fighting for his job. Holy shit.
And he had no other QB but Palko (Orton was hurt), who had quite possibly developed some sort of chemistry with the 2nd squad.

They could have just been looking for something - ANYTHING - to get something going offensively.

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I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.
Holy shit...logic comes crashing in.

Yay!

Having Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko start the season as your #1 and #2 QBs while your boss taps your phone and obsesses over candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning mediocre TEs and SSs will probably make you, me, or anyone exhausted...and go total ****ing bonkers.

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:25 PM   #95
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Haley did not get saddled with Muir. No way.

In the Haley v. Pioli fight, I will side with Haley 9 times out of 10.

But this one is just flat wrong. He WAS tanking the Jets game, it was obvious.
I think Haley wanted to be his own OC again. And he was probably justified in feeling that way - but his downfall was that he was always pissed at Cassel. You could tell in '11...he hated having Cassel under center...but he hated Palko even more.

I don't know if Haley was 'tanking' the game so much as using the opportunity to put the full spectrum of Pioli's deep and talented roster on display.

It was his biggest '**** you' to Pioli...

**** you, Pioli
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:28 PM   #96
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And he had no other QB but Palko (Orton was hurt), who had quite possibly developed some sort of chemistry with the 2nd squad.

They could have just been looking for something - ANYTHING - to get something going offensively.
By all means, get your best players off the field! We're trying to WIN here!

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:35 PM   #97
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You could tell in '11...he hated having Cassel under center...
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but he hated Palko even more.
Absolutely unequivocally untrue.

Haley LOVED Palko. People who were in the locker room after the Bears game got to see it first hand - Haley was on a personal mission to see Palko succeed. In many ways, it looks like he was living vicariously through a kid that grew up in many of the same circles Haley did.
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By all means, get your best players off the field! We're trying to WIN here!

JFC.

None of these best players you speak of have translated to wins this year.

Haley can win more games with Cassel and Palko at Qb, Jackie Battle at RB and Urban, Horne, and Copper at WR than RAC can with Bowe & Breaston at WR, Charles at RB, the return of Moeaki, Berry, Cassel...

Fact. Haley won more games without Jamal Charles than RAC has won WITH him.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:40 PM   #99
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None of these best players you speak of have translated to wins this year.

Haley can win more games with Cassel and Palko at Qb, Jackie Battle at RB and Urban, Horne, and Copper at WR than RAC can with Bowe & Breaston at WR, Charles at RB, the return of Moeaki, Berry, Cassel...

Fact. Haley won more games without Jamal Charles than RAC has won WITH him.
that's a hell of a recommendation.
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True.



Absolutely unequivocally untrue.

Haley LOVED Palko. People who were in the locker room after the Bears game got to see it first hand - Haley was on a personal mission to see Palko succeed. In many ways, it looks like he was living vicariously through a kid that grew up in many of the same circles Haley did.
If Orton hadn't have been hurt, Orton starts that NY game.The Pittsburg game sealed Palko's fate - Palko's big thing with Haley was that, in Chicago at least, he didn't give up that deflating crushing mistake that turns the tide of a game...

the kind of crushig turnovers that Matt Cassel specializes in.

Haley make have been ecstatic to win in Soldier Field - given the circumstances, that win alone should have garnered some kind of recognition - but in no way can I believe Haley was 'ecstatic' to have Palko.

Well...he wasn't Matt Cassel, so he DID have that going for him...
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that's a hell of a recommendation.
When you look at it from a cognitive standpoint, it actually says quite a lot.
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When you look at it from a cognitive standpoint, it actually says quite a lot.
All it says is "better than Romeo".
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Haley make have been ecstatic to win in Soldier Field - given the circumstances, that win alone should have garnered some kind of recognition - but in no way can I believe Haley was 'ecstatic' to have Palko.
He celebrated at Palko's locker after the game, yelling things like "I knew we could do it" and "we proved them wrong".

He LOVED Tyler Palko. Like a son. LOVED him.
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All it says is "better than Romeo".
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All it says is "better than Romeo".
Which is the point you were trying to argue.

So...I'm pissed that Haley get fired and replaced with someone who is clearly (and admittedly by you) worse than him - even though the inferior coach had 3-4 MORE years head coaching experience and close to 40 years of NFL coaching experience on the coach who you yourself admitted is the better of the two??

Geez...ya think maybe Haley would have grown into the job, had he received even a modicum of support from his GM??

I'm sure of it.
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