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Old 11-22-2012, 08:53 AM  
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Don't think Peter King "Gets It".

I could be wrong here, but this take on Sunday's game seems like a shot at us fans.

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Personally, I think we are all very loyal. That's why we all want Pioli and all of his "Patriot Ways" out of here.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:35 PM   #91
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You are putting emphasis on the "0", King is intending to emphasize the "12".
Key word here, "intending". I know what he's trying to say, but he's not saying it very well. By saying "12-0", it implies an undefeated record. Which, as pointed out, is redundant.

Edit: Hell, it doesn't imply, it states. He should have just omitted the record altogether and talked about the 12 road games and not the teams' records in those 12 road games. Because everyone knows what their record was.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:38 PM   #92
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You really don't see how it's both unnecessary and redundant to say that Super Bowl winners are undefeated? If King were to just omit that stat, this would be a non-issue. Here...

"Since 2005, Super Bowl winners have played 12 road games vs. 7 home games; which means the champ..."
No, not at all.

Super Bowl winners have been 12-0 ON THE ROAD since 2005.

Do you have a different way to describe a Super Bowl winner?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:39 PM   #93
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Key word here, "intending". I know what he's trying to say, but he's not saying it very well. By saying "12-0", it implies an undefeated record. Which, as pointed out, is redundant.

Edit: Hell, it doesn't imply, it states. He should have just omitted the record altogether and talked about the 12 road games and not the teams' records in those 12 road games. Because everyone knows what their record was.
JFC, so "Everyone knows" that the past seven Super Bowl winning teams were a combined 12-0 on the road during the playoffs?

What?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #94
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No, not at all.

Super Bowl winners have been 12-0 ON THE ROAD since 2005.

Do you have a different way to describe a Super Bowl winner?
I've said it three times already, but I'll repeat it again...

"Since 2005, Super Bowl winners have played 12 road games vs. 7 home games."

By default, Super Bowl winners are undefeated in the playoffs. However, since 2005, of the 19 games these winners have played, 12 of them have been on the road. That's the point of emphasis, not the record.

Let me ask you this, if you won the Super Bowl last year and played three road games, what was your record? Point being that the record on the road in the playoffs is redundant. It's not necessary to say that Super Bowl winners are 12-0 on the road. Just say, Super Bowl winners have played 12 road games.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:47 PM   #95
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Do you have a different way to describe a Super Bowl winner?
One who does not lose in the post-season?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:50 PM   #96
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Its not dumb if you read it in the full context of the story.
The original quoted link wasn't the full context of the story though...
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:01 PM   #97
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I've said it three times already, but I'll repeat it again...

"Since 2005, Super Bowl winners have played 12 road games vs. 7 home games."

By default, Super Bowl winners are undefeated in the playoffs. However, since 2005, of the 19 games these winners have played, 12 of them have been on the road. That's the point of emphasis, not the record.

Let me ask you this, if you won the Super Bowl last year and played three road games, what was your record? Point being that the record on the road in the playoffs is redundant. It's not necessary to say that Super Bowl winners are 12-0 on the road. Just say, Super Bowl winners have played 12 road games.
Wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:02 PM   #98
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One who does not lose in the post-season?
What is the total number of road victories for the last seven Super Bowl winners?

And do you understand what this number implies?
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:08 PM   #99
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Wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill
I love it. You repeatedly say that you can't see the redundancy in King's statement(s); which I, and many, many, many others, seem to see. I did my best to explain it as simply as possible.

Bottom line, he could have worded it all much better; and considering he's a Senior Writer for SI, he should be expected to.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:15 PM   #100
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I love it. You repeatedly say that you can't see the redundancy in King's statement(s); which I, and many, many, many others, seem to see. I did my best to explain it as simply as possible.

Bottom line, he could have worded it all much better; and considering he's a Senior Writer for SI, he should be expected to.
I completely and utterly disagree and have absolutely no issue with his wording, especially in the context of the paragraph.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:22 PM   #101
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I completely and utterly disagree and have absolutely no issue with his wording, especially in the context of the paragraph.


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Old 12-12-2012, 02:39 PM   #102
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I completely and utterly disagree and have absolutely no issue with his wording, especially in the context of the paragraph.
I'm glad you're not a writer then. I think it's really confusing and sounds idiotic. Can you figure out what point he's trying to make? Sure. But Super Bowl teams are by definition undefeated in the playoffs, so there's no reason to say "12-0," which implies that a loss would be possible in the given scenario.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:43 PM   #103
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Key word here, "intending". I know what he's trying to say, but he's not saying it very well. By saying "12-0", it implies an undefeated record. Which, as pointed out, is redundant.

Edit: Hell, it doesn't imply, it states. He should have just omitted the record altogether and talked about the 12 road games and not the teams' records in those 12 road games. Because everyone knows what their record was.
The problem is that people who are nitpicking King are ignoring the fact that he didn't write a stand alone single sentence.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:44 PM   #104
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #105
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I'm glad you're not a writer then. I think it's really confusing and sounds idiotic. Can you figure out what point he's trying to make? Sure. But Super Bowl teams are by definition undefeated in the playoffs, so there's no reason to say "12-0," which implies that a loss would be possible in the given scenario.
Do I think he chose the best wording possible? No. Can I understand what he's saying? Yes.

In the age of email, Twitter, Facebook and other forms of instant new items and thought, grammar and punctuation have suffered irreparable damage to the point where even the best journalists stumble over themselves to make a point.
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