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Old 09-18-2012, 10:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #2:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 12-12-2012, 07:03 PM   #5086
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-He has trouble reading complex defenses. What happens when DC's in the NFL throw mixed coverages/blitzes at him?

Will he know what audible to use to counteract what the defense throws at him? Against K State, Texas Tech and TCU he got really confused and struggled mightily against their mixed defenses.

He doesn't understand the X's and O's as well as you would like and he's in the shotgun which gives him more space to see the field. What happens when he's in a passing play under center in the NFL and LB's throw mixed blitzes at him?

The NFL is a chess game. Understanding how to react is a vital part of being an NFL QB.
This is all coachable, you realize?

Geno reacts well to pressure and gets the ball out. He's going to be fine. He was only sacked 17 times.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:08 PM   #5088
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I think some people are clouded by Geno's "wow" throws in college.

There are some serious problems that Geno has IMO.

-He locks onto his 1st read ALL THE TIME. Almost 90% of the time. That is a huge problem. That's not going to work at all in the NFL. Watch tape of him. It's as if he doesn't notice any other receiver but his first read a lot of the time. His eyes are on his 1st read. Think NFL CB's won't notice that?

-He sits in the pocket too long looking for the right play. This goes back to the first point. You can't sit in the pocket for 5 or 6 seconds consistently in the NFL. You'll get sacked.

-He has trouble reading complex defenses. What happens when DC's in the NFL throw mixed coverages/blitzes at him? Will he know what audible to use to counteract what the defense throws at him? Against K State, Texas Tech and TCU he got really confused and struggled mightily against their mixed defenses. He doesn't understand the X's and O's as well as you would like and he's in the shotgun which gives him more space to see the field. What happens when he's in a passing play under center in the NFL and LB's throw mixed blitzes at him?
The NFL is a chess game. Understanding how to react is a vital part of being an NFL QB.


On top of that, he's been in the spread for two years. Yes he did well in his sophomore year, but they still used the shotgun in a lot of situations to maximize his talent.
Spread QB's rarely translate well to the NFL.

People jumped on the Geno bandwagon when he had 24 TD's and 0 INT's. Okay. Who did he play?

Marshall-101st ranked defense out of 120
James Madison-Should they even be considered a defense?
Baylor-119th ranked defense out of 120
Texas-75th ranked defense out of 120

21 of those 24 TD's came against shitty college defenses.
Geno Smith has a tendency to lock on to his primary when he feels he needs to make big plays to keep up.

In most situations, however, he reads the defense and goes through progressions just fine.

This is something I noted a couple of weeks ago, and reinforced by a scouting report that was posted in this thread, or the McShay mock draft thread.

This assertion that he doesn't go through progressions is pure, unmitigated bull.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:14 PM   #5089
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Geno Smith is not RG3.

RG3 has an incredible football IQ. He wowed everyone at the combine with his X's and O's knowledge.
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Why don't you give Geno a chance to wow some idiots at the combine then?

Just dismissing Geno because he played in the spread is stupid.

The dude is extremely, extremely intelligent, a perfectionist since he was a kid, and that probably translates to football.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:22 PM   #5091
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Bray is way too immature handing him the keys to the franchise would be a huge mistake.
Again, just depends if he decides to get serious about his job which part of the interview process
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Geno Smith has a tendency to lock on to his primary when he feels he needs to make big plays to keep up.

In most situations, however, he reads the defense and goes through progressions just fine.

This is something I noted a couple of weeks ago, and reinforced by a scouting report that was posted in this thread, or the McShay mock draft thread.

This assertion that he doesn't go through progressions is pure, unmitigated bull.
I agree with you, though I see him locking onto his 1st read a lot when he's not behind.

I'm not worried about Geno's ability to scramble, throw all the needed throws and make plays.

It's his technique and understanding of the game that has me worried.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:28 PM   #5093
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Why don't you give Geno a chance to wow some idiots at the combine then?

Just dismissing Geno because he played in the spread is stupid.

The dude is extremely, extremely intelligent, a perfectionist since he was a kid, and that probably translates to football.
That's what I'm waiting for. All we have to go by right now is game tape.

I like Geno. I think he has a ton of potential, but I want to see him prove his football IQ and technique at the combine before I go in full out "draft Geno" mode.

The report from Schefter was that college scouts aren't "completely wowed" by Geno. This is probably because of what I'm stating. His game tape shows flaws that he needs to fix in Indy.
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Against the most complex and athletic defense he played all year, OU, he had a great game.

He consistently had/has to put up 50 points.


If his defense gets 1 stop against OU and TCU, we aren't talking about all this.
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I think some people are clouded by Geno's "wow" throws in college.

There are some serious problems that Geno has IMO.

-He locks onto his 1st read ALL THE TIME. Almost 90% of the time. That is a huge problem. That's not going to work at all in the NFL. Watch tape of him. It's as if he doesn't notice any other receiver but his first read a lot of the time. His eyes are on his 1st read. Think NFL CB's won't notice that?

-He sits in the pocket too long looking for the right play. This goes back to the first point. You can't sit in the pocket for 5 or 6 seconds consistently in the NFL. You'll get sacked.

-He has trouble reading complex defenses. What happens when DC's in the NFL throw mixed coverages/blitzes at him? Will he know what audible to use to counteract what the defense throws at him? Against K State, Texas Tech and TCU he got really confused and struggled mightily against their mixed defenses. He doesn't understand the X's and O's as well as you would like and he's in the shotgun which gives him more space to see the field. What happens when he's in a passing play under center in the NFL and LB's throw mixed blitzes at him?
The NFL is a chess game. Understanding how to react is a vital part of being an NFL QB.


On top of that, he's been in the spread for two years. Yes he did well in his sophomore year, but they still used the shotgun in a lot of situations to maximize his talent.
Spread QB's rarely translate well to the NFL.

People jumped on the Geno bandwagon when he had 24 TD's and 0 INT's. Okay. Who did he play?

Marshall-101st ranked defense out of 120
James Madison-Should they even be considered a defense?
Baylor-119th ranked defense out of 120
Texas-75th ranked defense out of 120

21 of those 24 TD's came against shitty college defenses.
Why do I read all these reports about how he's so great at the X's and O"s?
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FWIW,

Daniel Jeremiah attended the Manning Academy last summer and came away with the opinion that Bray was the best prospect of the bunch. He says good things about the other QB's also (including Barkley and Smith).
http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/unca...academy-29294/
Bray has the physical tools no doubt. None of us will ever get to interview him, talk to people he knows, sit down in a film room with him, know what kind of a leader he is.

All of those things are more important than his arm/accuracy.

If he passed all those tests we'll never see, I'd have no problem drafting him. I'd still prefer Geno Smith though.
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That's what I'm waiting for. All we have to go by right now is game tape.

I like Geno. I think he has a ton of potential, but I want to see him prove his football IQ and technique at the combine before I go in full out "draft Geno" mode.

The report from Schefter was that college scouts aren't "completely wowed" by Geno. This is probably because of what I'm stating. His game tape shows flaws that he needs to fix in Indy.
The fact that he played at a fairly high level as a sophmore in one system, an NFL pro style system, and played at a high level in an entirely different system speaks to his football IQ.
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I agree with you, though I see him locking onto his 1st read a lot when he's not behind.

I'm not worried about Geno's ability to scramble, throw all the needed throws and make plays.

It's his technique and understanding of the game that has me worried.
You need to quit pulling shit out of your ass. Geno Smith diagnoses a defense AT the line and adjusts his progressions according to what he sees. He's a film room junkie and he has arguably the best technique in this class. His deep ball is as accurate as RGIII and he spins the ball at a ridiculous RPM. You CLEARLY have NO IDEA what you are talking about if you are claiming that his technique and understanding of the game are the issue here.
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