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Old 07-20-2012, 10:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:12 PM   #511
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You will never get rid of all gun crime, but you can pass laws that severely limit people who have access to them. England and Germany have tough gun laws, but there are still some guns that get through the system. However, deaths related to guns is a fraction to that of the US.

"According to a 2007 Harvard Journal of Law study, the German gun death per 100,000 citizens was 0.91 with less than 9% of German households owning guns. The Center for Disease Control, (CDC), projects U.S. gun fatalities at 14.2 per 100,000. In a 2005 Gallup study, 42% of American households claimed to own one or more firearms."
Guns don't shoot themselves. It takes a criminal, someone w/ a sick mind to just fly off the handle and cause a massacre.

Criminals will still find a way to purchase weapons....as they always have.

The only thing gun control will do is prevent those who are law abiding citizens the right to carry/purchase firearms.

I have 6 guns in my home. I have a CCW license. I almost always have it with me. I'm not going to go out and shoot someone because I have a gun. Nutcases and society is the problem...not the weapon itself.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:13 PM   #512
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OK fine...then explain this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

The issue with gun crime isn't the guns...it's the society...we have serious issues and the longer we try to blame the guns instead of society the longer it's going to take to actually fix it.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I like to think it's both.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:15 PM   #513
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Why does it have to be one or the other? I like to think it's both.
How is it the gun? please explain.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:16 PM   #514
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The president is supposed to speak soon about the shooting. How much do you want to bet that he calls for some sort of gun control.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:18 PM   #515
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The president is supposed to speak soon about the shooting. How much do you want to bet that he calls for some sort of gun control.
Well no shit....he's been doing it for years.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:21 PM   #516
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Well no shit....he's been doing it for years.
Are you serious?
No. No he hasn't.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:22 PM   #517
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How is it the gun? please explain.
Bullets leave the gun, enter the person's face, in this case 5 year olds, and they die. 18 five and six year olds.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:23 PM   #518
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Are you serious?
No. No he hasn't.
Dude bullshit....that admin has been saying for years that guns are bad and that we need to "brainwash people in to thinking that". Eric Holder's exact words....look up the video on youtube.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:25 PM   #519
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What anti-gun people do not understand is banning guns will not solve the problem.

Guns will not just disappear. People who want guns will get them illegally. Just like drugs.

Also, how are you going to go about getting these guns from everyone in the country?

What do you think the repercussions would be?
1. Guns are not drugs. If you believe the argument that illegal guns will be just as rampant as illegal drugs, you're not thinking it through. You can buy illegal guns now, but how many of us would even know where to start with that. I'm sure most of us could find someone that would sell us some pot, or blow, but how many people could actually find a gun. It's a different type of merchandise and has a different type of market. Not saying it doesn't/wouldn't happen, but not to the extreme that some of you make sound like it would be.

2. Everyone carrying guns would not stop crime; in fact it would probably increase. Road rage...instead of giving someone the bird, well now I have a 9mm on me, **** that asshole that just cut me off. Im out at a bar with friends, and my buddy who becomes violent when he drinks gets pissed off and starts shooting up the bar because some guy hit on his girlfriend. There would be a ton of stupid shit like this.

3. People are not as brave/aware/combat efficient as they would need to be to back up the "give everyone a gun" theory. Honestly, ask yourself this question. Look around right now, at your office, your classroom, your house, the mall, the store, look at everyone around you. How many people would react properly if a shooter appeared a la Aurora Massacre? How many people would even think to pull their gun rather than pissing themselves or just flat out running away? And out of those people that actually had the stones to pull a gun, how many of them would be competent enough to shoot the gunman and ONLY the gunman and not injure/kill innocent people running and screaming by them. Now, ask yourself those same questions. I'm not even looking for a response, but seriously ask yourself if you would

A. have the fortitude to stand and deliver, and not run away or duck or freeze, or just piss yourself.

B. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and saying A is true, you are a good enough shot to not hurt any bystanders. Also, mind you, you aren't shooting paper targets; you are shooting someone that is more than likely about to shoot you.

I think if you take away the macho Im a man, and I would .blah blah blah and realize theoretical intentions and the reality of what most people are capable of, giving everyone a gun is down right scary.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:31 PM   #520
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1. Guns are not drugs. If you believe the argument that illegal guns will be just as rampant as illegal drugs, you're not thinking it through. You can buy illegal guns now, but how many of us would even know where to start with that. I'm sure most of us could find someone that would sell us some pot, or blow, but how many people could actually find a gun. It's a different type of merchandise and has a different type of market. Not saying it doesn't/wouldn't happen, but not to the extreme that some of you make sound like it would be.
You are insane if you think Mexico wouldn't step in and fill that market the same way they do with drugs and human trafficking. Open your damn eyes.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:34 PM   #521
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1. Guns are not drugs. If you believe the argument that illegal guns will be just as rampant as illegal drugs, you're not thinking it through. You can buy illegal guns now, but how many of us would even know where to start with that. I'm sure most of us could find someone that would sell us some pot, or blow, but how many people could actually find a gun. It's a different type of merchandise and has a different type of market. Not saying it doesn't/wouldn't happen, but not to the extreme that some of you make sound like it would be.
So the one flaw with your argument is explain Mexico? Guns are heavly restricted but all over the place. As to the question of how to get a gun?

Well I could buy a 1-2K small CNC machine....download the CAD drawings and then order a chunk of aluminum online. Once the material arrives about 30 minutes later I'd have my freshly CNC'd firearm.

Of course if I was willing to make something less durable I'd just download the plans and use a 3D printer. It would take even less time and less effort than using a CNC machine.

See one of the problems in the UK is that they have been retrofitting airsoft guns and turning them into real guns. They may not be the most durable things but they get the job done.

With the increasing availability of small inexpensive computer controlled precision machines. The ability of anyone to prohibit any device from getting into the hands of people illegally is increasingly small.

Most prohibitions only prevent lawful ownership and have little impact on illegal ownership.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:34 PM   #522
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Take a moment to consider where most of these tragic shootings have happened and where they haven't.

The latest shootings in the news have been in Colorado, Oregon and Connecticut. All Liberal strongholds where gun regulations are popular. The highest violent crime rates? Look no further than Chicago and Washington DC....homes of some of the toughest gun control regulations in the country.

We will never stop a twisted, broken and motivated person from doing something horrific. It does no good to punish law abiding citizens.
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Bullets leave the gun, enter the person's face, in this case 5 year olds, and they die. 18 five and six year olds.
So who pulled the trigger...was it the gun?
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Take a moment to consider where most of these tragic shootings have happened and where they haven't.

The latest shootings in the news have been in Colorado, Oregon and Connecticut. All Liberal strongholds where gun regulations are popular. The highest violent crime rates? Look no further than Chicago and Washington DC....homes of some of the toughest gun control regulations in the country..
That's why we need Federal regulations, not state by state regulations.
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So who pulled the trigger...was it the gun?
The killer. I know where you are going so I will just post this again and we can go in another circle if you want.

Why does it have to be one or the other? I like to think it's both.
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