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Old 12-14-2012, 07:41 AM  
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Toke up, brahs. Obama makes the right call on pot.

Pretty much the call he had to make.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=17946783

Marijuana Not High Obama Priority
By DEVIN DWYER (@devindwyer)
WASHINGTON, Dec. 14, 2012

President Obama says recreational users of marijuana in states that have legalized the substance should not be a "top priority" of federal law enforcement officials prosecuting the war on drugs.

"We've got bigger fish to fry," Obama said of pot users in Colorado and Washington during an exclusive interview with ABC News' Barbara Walters.

"It would not make sense for us to see a top priority as going after recreational users in states that have determined that it's legal," he said, invoking the same approach taken toward users of medicinal marijuana in 18 states where it's legal.

More of Barbara Walters' exclusive first joint, post-election interview with President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama airs tonight on "20/20" at 10 p.m. ET on ABC stations.

Obama's comments on marijuana are his first following Colorado and Washington voters' approval of Nov. 7 ballot measures that legalize the recreational use and sale of pot in defiance of federal law.

Marijuana, or cannabis, remains classified under the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I narcotic whose cultivation, distribution, possession and use are criminal acts. It's in the same category as heroin, LSD and "Ecstasy," all deemed to have high potential for abuse.

Obama told Walters he does not "at this point" support widespread legalization of marijuana. But he cited shifting public opinion and limited government resources as reasons to find a middle ground on punishing use of the drug.

"This is a tough problem, because Congress has not yet changed the law," Obama said. "I head up the executive branch; we're supposed to be carrying out laws. And so what we're going to need to have is a conversation about, How do you reconcile a federal law that still says marijuana is a federal offense and state laws that say that it's legal?"

The president said he has asked Attorney General Eric Holder and the Justice Department to examine the legal questions surrounding conflicting state and federal laws on drugs.

"There are a number of issues that have to be considered, among them the impact that drug usage has on young people, [and] we have treaty obligations with nations outside the United States," Holder said Wednesday of the review underway.

As a politician, Obama has always opposed legalizing marijuana and downplayed his personal history with the substance.

Obama wrote in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father," that he would smoke pot regularly with his high school buddies who formed a "club of disaffection." The group was known as the "Choom Gang," says Obama biographer David Maraniss.

"There are a bunch of things I did that I regret when I was a kid," Obama told Walters. "My attitude is, substance abuse generally is not good for our kids, not good for our society.

"I want to discourage drug use," he added.

While the administration has not prioritized prosecutions of marijuana users and small-scale distributors in states where it's legal, it has not ceased prosecutions altogether. The Justice Department has continued raids on pot providers including in states where they are legal in an approach that experts say is more aggressive than Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush.

"I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana and the reason is, because it's against federal law," Obama told "Rolling Stone" in an interview earlier this year.

It "is a murky area," Obama told the magazine, "where you have large-scale, commercial operations that may supply medical marijuana users, but in some cases may also be supplying recreational users. In that situation, we put the Justice Department in a very difficult place if we're telling them, 'This is supposed to be against the law, but we want you to turn the other way.' That's not something we're going to do."

Obama and the Office of National Drug Control Policy say the negative impacts of widespread marijuana legalization loom large.

Legalization would lower the price of "weed," thereby fueling its use and triggering more widespread negative health effects and subsequent costs of care, the administration says in its official policy position. Officials also say legalization would do little to curb drug violence or eliminate cartels.

"When you're talking about drug kingpins, folks involved in violence, people who are peddling hard drugs to our kids and our neighborhoods that are devastated, there is no doubt we need to go after those folks hard," said Obama.

"It makes sense for us to look at how we can make sure that our kids are discouraged from using drugs and engaging in substance abuse generally," he said. "There's more work we can do on the public health side and the treatment side."

Colorado and Washington are the first states to legalize recreational use of marijuana, presenting a fresh challenge for the Obama Justice Department to navigate in a second term.

While public opinion has shifted toward legalization over the past few years, Americans remain divided about the personal use of pot.

Fifty percent of American adults oppose legalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use, while 48 percent would support such a measure, according to a November ABC News/Washington Post poll. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 points.

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat who personally opposed legalization, on Monday formally approved the voter-backed amendment to the state constitution legalizing recreational use of marijuana.

The measure will allow individuals to possess one ounce of pot and up to six marijuana plants and licensed stores to sell marijuana starting next year.

Washington State last week officially became the first to allow recreational use of marijuana when a voter-approved ballot measure took effect.

In both states, pot use remains illegal in public. Eighteen states have approved the use of marijuana for medicinal use with a doctor's order. Federal law still prohibits all use and sale of marijuana.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:55 AM   #16
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:05 AM   #17
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Not really.

The feds have not gone after individual users seriously, in pretty much a generation. This is not a big change in federal policy at all. The question is whether they'll go after medium and large producers and sellers, and the answer to that is probably still yes.
yep. more lies.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:20 PM   #18
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:36 PM   #19
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Sounds good. We'll see if it sticks.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:38 AM   #20
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Sounds good. We'll see if it sticks.
What sounds good?
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:36 AM   #21
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:05 PM   #22
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What sounds good?
Obama's talk that he's not going to go after pot as aggressively as his administration did during his first term. That sounds good.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #23
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Obama's talk that he's not going to go after pot as aggressively as his administration did during his first term. That sounds good.
I missed that part. When did he say that?
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:33 PM   #24
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I missed that part. When did he say that?
Read the goddamned OP. Holy shit, that's the entire point of the article.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:07 PM   #25
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Read the goddamned OP. Holy shit, that's the entire point of the article.
He said it should not be a "top priority" and "We've got bigger fish to fry,"

He did not say more he did not say less. He made a wishy washy statement. Weed has never been the DEAs top priority and they have always had bigger fish to fry.

Yet you somehow read that he's not going to go after pot as aggressively as his administration did during his first term.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:18 PM   #26
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He said it should not be a "top priority" and "We've got bigger fish to fry,"

He did not say more he did not say less. He made a wishy washy statement. Weed has never been the DEAs top priority and they have always had bigger fish to fry.

Yet you somehow read that he's not going to go after pot as aggressively as his administration did during his first term.
That's the whole rhetorical implication of what he said, because being as aggressive towards pot would mean to go after Colorado and Washington. Semantically, you're correct. He didn't say certain specific words. But there are only two outcomes to these quotes: 1.) he does exactly what is implied, or 2.) he stays his course (ultimately meaning he said nothing here).

I'm very skeptical about it. My post that you took your obtuse umbrage with was a post that relates my skepticism. But 'hooray!' for your rhetorical point made by being condescending to people that agree with you, I guess.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:58 PM   #27
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That's the whole rhetorical implication of what he said, because being as aggressive towards pot would mean to go after Colorado and Washington. Semantically, you're correct. He didn't say certain specific words. But there are only two outcomes to these quotes: 1.) he does exactly what is implied, or 2.) he stays his course (ultimately meaning he said nothing here).

I'm very skeptical about it. My post that you took your obtuse umbrage with was a post that relates my skepticism. But 'hooray!' for your rhetorical point made by being condescending to people that agree with you, I guess.
WTF read what you posted and what I posted.

I'm just not ready to declare him our first stoner president like the thread title implies.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:35 PM   #28
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WTF read what you posted and what I posted.

I'm just not ready to declare him our first stoner president like the thread title implies.
Here's the conversation breakdown by meaning of posts:

Me: He talks a good game here, but it remains to be seen if he's being truthful.

You: What did he say that was good?

Me: His implication that he's going to be less aggressive on pot.

You: *acts like Donger, talks only in obtuse questions* Yeah, but he didn't say anything conclusively.

Me: No, but he implied it. Why did you choose me to make this point anyway, we're clearly in agreement over Obama and pot?

You: I can't read.

And here we are. You're a dick.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:44 PM   #29
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"Marijuana, or cannabis, remains classified under the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I narcotic whose cultivation, distribution, possession and use are criminal acts. It's in the same category as heroin, LSD and "Ecstasy," all deemed to have high potential for abuse."


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Ridiculous lol
Toke up brah. Dirk and reaper especially liked that part. They see it as a good thing for personal users.
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