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2. I think that people who believe a human being starts at conception usually have no interest in evaluating their own opinion, because by and large, they think it's God's opinion. Therefore they have no argument to support them, and will not listen to anyone else's argument. The sad part is, God never says this in the bible. Religious leaders have been using this "controversy" to rile people of faith up and politicize the congregation. Give them something to fight for. 3. The unspoken part of this, is that a lot of people who are against abortion aren't even REALLY thinking of it as murder. Otherwise we'd see a whole LOT more abortion doctors being killed. If you really thought that every abortion clinic in America was doing something analogous to what this Lanza kid did, then I'd expect all out war by now. But that doesn't happen. The real reason religious people don't like abortion, as I see it, is because they think recreational sex outside of marriage is a sin, and they think that pregnancy is a way of God correcting that sin. That back in the old days, you got somebody knocked up, you did the right thing, asked God's forgiveness and married the girl. Well, that's just silly. We have the technology to stop a pregnancy before it becomes a baby. And there is nothing wrong with sex. |
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Same can be said for your side. I just gave you my arguments to support my pro-life stand. Science always considered it to be human life at conception until the Roe v Wade case, mysteriously led people to believe otherwise. There was no competent embryologists there to present the science for that case. Quote:
The dad part is, that govts have been instituted among men first to protect their lives. If we cheapen life in anyway, life will continue to be abused in other ways—making us all less safe.
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I would like all religious people to stop equating Atheists and Anti-theists. It's ignorant.
Atheists don't believe in god. Anti-theists hate religion and mock those that follow it. There's a huge difference. All anti-theists are naturally atheist, but all atheists are not anti-theist. I love all of you and wish only the best, even though you wish eternal suffering on me and my kin. Atheist out. |
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Yeah, we know. So does a human heart after it's been taken out of a cadaver. If it didn't have human DNA it wouldn't eventually become a human being. My hair has all my DNA. It's just parts. A fetus is the RAW material that is used to create a human being. It's not a really young human being. There's no reason to look at a clump of cells and say "oh look, that's a really young human being." Fetus does not mean child. We clearly make a distinction between a fetus before viability and baby after. When a fetus dies in utero, we refer to it as a miscarriage. When it dies in utero after viability we call it a stillborn baby. There is a such a huge difference here. Perhaps viability is a bad "line" to draw, since technology is pushing this line back. Perhaps voluntary, deliberate movement (the quickening) is a line that makes more sense. But regardless, your argument that conception is equivalent to human being isn't really working for me. And I'm not sure that comparing me to a nazi is a decent way of making your point stick. I'm pretty sure that I'm making a sincere effort to understand your point and come to a sensible conclusion. |
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You don't have any interest in seeing any point of view other than your own. Now that you've stated your opinion I doubt there is any way to convince you that you are wrong, seems as if there is a stalemate between ideologies. |
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More likely 20,000,000 more people leeching off the system. It always amuses me to hear you people bitch about how many abortions there are and then complain about millions of people on welfare.
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I just can't believe you don't see the difference between stopping a pregnancy from becoming a human being and taking a young child who is playing hide and seek and shooting him in the head. I just... I can't make heads or tails of the thought process. I know this thread is now WAY off topic, but I go back to the thought experiment I used earlier. Lets say a terrorist has a nuclear bomb set to go off in New York city and he will give you the detonator if you shoot either me or a kindergardener. Well, I hope you choose to shoot me and save New York. It would suck, but I'd understand your decision and I'd be okay with that. But if that same terrorist said your choice was to either shoot me, or give a girl the day after pill... Man, I'd be pissed if you still felt like shooting me was the best choice. I wouldn't be pissed for very long though. But good luck integrating back into society once people find out what you did. |
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Academically, yes this is probably the case. Philosophers have gone round and round with the definition of "human being" for generations. The fact is, there probably isn't an "objective" truth to this. Just like there isn't an objective truth to the "what makes it art" debate. In the end, you have to just give these things the eye test and go with your gut. But there are arguments that can be convincing. All the arguments that I've heard for infanticide seem horrible to me, so I don't believe in infanticide. All the arguments that I've heard for abortion in the 3rd trimester (right to choose at any time, etc...) seem really bad to me. So I don't believe in abortion after the pregnancy has developed into a viable human being. But the arguments that I've heard for early termination seem reasonable, and the people who argue that a fetus is a human being seem to have all of their work in front of them. If you showed me a fetus in a jar, you'd really have a hard time coming up with some kind of definition of "human being" which included that thing. Looks like parts to me. |
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Go check out the EBT thread about the baby momma with 8 kids. Can you seriously tell me we'd be worse off if she had aborted those 8 kids she cannot support? |
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You are trying to say that America would be better off without those 8 kids, are you presuming that they will have nothing to offer humanity? Those 8 kids, just like the 20 in Newtown that were killed, if you had you way would never have a chance to make the world a better place. I see you as a person that has gives no value to life. Sorry you feel that way, there could be a bun in the oven that could make you a nice person. As it stands you'd rather kill off all the unborn so you don't have to bare their burden. |
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