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Old 12-16-2012, 01:14 PM  
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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-USSR) to introduce assault weapons ban

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Sunday on NBC's Meet The Press that she will introduce an assault weapons ban bill on the first day of the new Congress.



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Old 12-16-2012, 07:24 PM   #31
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Reaper said it very good. Also lack of funding means less housing, less facilities, less treatment options and less trained people to help
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:29 PM   #32
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Well then, BEP, what's the free market solution here? How do we change a culture that makes it hard to get legitimate mental healthcare, that shames people with mental illness? How do we provide accessible, affordable mental healthcare while also limiting the government's say in how it is ran?
See that's the catch in your question—what is legitimate mental healthcare? What have been the results so far? They admit they can't cure. So they control symptons through drugs. So it goes back to safer pharmaceuticals again. They are using primarily pharmaceuticals with worse side-effects. Another issue, is damaged veterans returning from wars or even if they haven't returned yet. I am speaking of the rise in suicides. Some of them come back, after getting care and shoot their wives or kill someone else. So we can end this permanent warfare.


I am not talking about the emptying of asylums where many ended up on the streets homeless. A lot of that funding was cut. I haven't kept up since then on those cuts though.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:34 PM   #33
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Here's something on Full Service Schools and it includes Mental Health and Mental Health Screenings of kids in schools. It just falls under something else and is buried.


Don't have time just check out the section on Components of FSCSs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-Se..._United_States
You don't know what you are talking about as ususal.

I work for a non-profit mental health corporation we need funding to help people without it we have to cut services, housing and staff.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:34 PM   #34
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Here's something on Full Service Schools and it includes Mental Health and Mental Health Screenings of kids in schools. It just falls under something else and is buried.


Don't have time just check out the section on Components of FSCSs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-Se..._United_States

BEP- I understand your reservations, believe me I do. This kid was already identified as a person with some serious problems and rightfully so. His mom had stopped working to try and provide in home mental health care to him. She wasn't capable of doing that. I am hoping that funding can help make breakthroughs in treatment. That treatment doesn't have to come in pill form.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:35 PM   #35
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See that's the catch in your question—what is legitimate mental healthcare? What have been the results so far? They admit they can't cure. So they control symptons through drugs. So it goes back to safer pharmaceuticals again. They are using primarily pharmaceuticals with worse side-effects.
It seems like the drugs are being used in lieu of carefully tailored treatment plans. There often isn't any sort of cure for these things. Medication can often help, but it's never a cure-all nor is it meant to be the one aspect of treatment.

If we can't trust mental health professionals whose facilities get government money to make diagnoses that aren't influenced by Big Phrama lobbying money, then that's obviously part of the problem, part of what makes the system broken.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:36 PM   #36
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You don't know what you are talking about as ususal.
I said I didn't stay up to date all of this...but you don't know that some of this stuff does get funded under education. So don't be a pot calling the kettle black.

I also used to go into public schools and demand their health syllabuses and would find more there.
Remember when suicide was chic? Well, there was stuff buried in those syllabuses on death education. How healthy!

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Good. If you can't make it in the free-market then you don't use effective mental health procedures. Otherwise, people would be breaking down your door for your results.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:42 PM   #37
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It seems like the drugs are being used in lieu of carefully tailored treatment plans. There often isn't any sort of cure for these things. Medication can often help, but it's never a cure-all nor is it meant to be the one aspect of treatment.
Well, that's my point. They admit they can't cure. So how effective are they? It's like we're still in the middle-ages on being able to give real help with consistently good results. Their results are random at best. I've a pharmacist who lives to my right and two doors down is a psychologist. She told me that she has to get her money before sending out a final eval to an individual as they usually would refuse to pay her and they'd be quit mad and upset. She actually told me that. Her work seemed very unfulfilling.

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If we can't trust mental health professionals whose facilities get government money to make diagnoses that aren't influenced by Big Phrama lobbying money, then that's obviously part of the problem, part of what makes the system broken.
I'm aimin' at Big Pharma more here. Afterall, they promote and sell their products to doctors.
As far as I am still concerned, govt is not equipped to care for people like this long term. They can only do so much.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:45 PM   #38
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BEP- I understand your reservations, believe me I do. This kid was already identified as a person with some serious problems and rightfully so. His mom had stopped working to try and provide in home mental health care to him. She wasn't capable of doing that. I am hoping that funding can help make breakthroughs in treatment. That treatment doesn't have to come in pill form.
Funding will not bring the needed breakthroughs. You should know that as a market orientated person.

However, the latest I heard, which was in that abc video, her son was on medication. She can't do that herself. There's laws on that. I don't even think a psychologist can do that, although my neighbor told me it was being worked on and that was awhile ago.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:45 PM   #39
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Good. If you can't make it in the free-market then you don't use effective mental health procedures. Otherwise, people would be breaking down your door for your results.
The vast majority of mental health organizations depend on state money because of the clientele that we serve. I am sure you know alot of people that are poor and on Medicaid that can afford a $150-200\hr psychiatrist.

And we do have people breaking down our door that is why even during the recession we had our best years financially.
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The vast majority of mental health organizations depend on state money because of the clientele that we serve. I am sure you know alot of people that are poor and on Medicaid that can afford a $150-200\hr psychiatrist.
My grandmother was one of those. She was poor and very depressed because she lost her eyesight and could no longer work. She wound up hemorraging from their electric schock treatments and died.Why not have places for such people to work where they don't use their eyes so they can have some dignity that work provides and keep up their morale by being productive? Even if they do some work for the state for cheap.

My neighbor to my right, the pharmacist, his daughter graduated with her masters in psychology, found a job and is already frustrated as hell in trying to help some of these people. Frankly, I think when someone pays for the service, at least something, they would do better. JMO

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I also used to go into public schools and demand their health syllabuses and would find more there.
Remember when suicide was chic? Well, there was stuff buried in those syllabuses on death education. How healthy!
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Good. If you can't make it in the free-market then you don't use effective mental health procedures. Otherwise, people would be breaking down your door for your results.
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My grandmother was one of those. She was poor and very depressed because she lost her eyesight and could no longer work. She wound up hemorraging from their electric schock treatments and died.Why not have places for such people to work where they don't use their eyes so they can have some dignity that work provides and keep up their morale by being productive? Even if they do some work for the state for cheap.

My neighbor to my right, the pharmacist, his daughter graduated with her masters in psychology, found a job and is already frustrated as hell in trying to help some of these people. Frankly, I think when someone pays for the service, at least something, they would do better. JMO
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This is what will happen. Debate will rage for months, possibly years, and in the end, they'll come to some solution of "banning" the accessories that easily make semi-auto weapons fully auto. But as for the guns themselves, nothing will be "permabanned".

Why you ask? It's simple - money. Specifically, all the money gun producers pump into our economy. Nobody in Washington wants to **** with that.
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Funding will not bring the needed breakthroughs. You should know that as a market orientated person.
That's not necessarily true. Mental health professionals need time to work and access to patients. I would rather focus on therapy over medication but that takes money.

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However, the latest I heard, which was in that abc video, her son was on medication. She can't do that herself. There's laws on that. I don't even think a psychologist can do that, although my neighbor told me it was being worked on and that was awhile ago.
I'm sure he (she) had tremendous access to medication. From what I understand he had been sort of "in the system" for quite some time. What she couldn't do was give him the psychological care he needed.
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