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Old 12-10-2012, 01:26 PM  
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:40 PM   #76
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No, it's not obvious that black people are generally stupid or short-sighted. I think they're generally as smart and strategic as any human being.

BTW, how's that post-Romney, more-inclusive GOP thing working out these days? Is that charade over?
Probably as over as that bipartisan work hand in hand bullshit pulled by the left over these last two Presidential elections.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:23 PM   #77
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The welfare state doesn't destroy family structure. It literally promotes family, in a way that is often denigrated (more babies = more tax deductions + more welfare).

The KKK was birthed by southern Democrats. But to impute that damage to today's Democratic Party is not done out of historical correctness, but to advance your Republican agenda.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:37 PM   #78
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Think of the stress between a husband and wife when one of them gets laid off. Now imagine that situation without unemployment insurance, or, if need be, food stamps.
Yeah, because that is the bulk of people on welfare and food stamps.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:41 AM   #79
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Such as . . .
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:44 AM   #80
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Yeah, because that is the bulk of people on welfare and food stamps.
So describe the "right" people who should get welfare, and the "wrong" people who shouldn't.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:32 AM   #81
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So describe the "right" people who should get welfare, and the "wrong" people who shouldn't.
The problem with our welfare state isn't so much the people who receive it as it is the perverse incentives that it creates. Well-intentioned people created a system that does much harm through unintended consequences. Stupid people don't recognize this and keep sending politicians who want to double down on this approach back to Washington.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:03 AM   #82
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So describe the "right" people who should get welfare, and the "wrong" people who shouldn't.
A system of nets work perfectly to catch tuna and release dolphin in the wild. It is too bad lazy liberals use your analogy instead of mine.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:08 AM   #83
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The problem with our welfare state isn't so much the people who receive it as it is the perverse incentives that it creates. Well-intentioned people created a system that does much harm through unintended consequences. Stupid people don't recognize this and keep sending politicians who want to double down on this approach back to Washington.

"Don't Feed the Bears" read the signs in our national parks. If we give wild animals food, they become dependent and forget how to get their own food.

It is a great system for creating a vote block based in fear of having their freebies taken away though.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:29 AM   #84
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Too me it's pretty simple, if your household works less than 40 hours a week you are not eligible for welfare/foodstamps/medical/etc, community service can be substituted for up to 20 work hours.
Entitlements are limited to 12 months.
If anyone on assistance has another dependent they are automatically denied for the duration of their lifetime.
All benefits are treated as a reimbursement, the family submits receipts(paid receipts not invoices) for the needed products/services and receives a reimbursement for their expenditure.
Food reimbursed through this program must be of a generic brand and considered necessary, (ex, the WIC program).

That ought to be a good start.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:30 AM   #85
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A system of nets work perfectly to catch tuna and release dolphin in the wild. It is too bad lazy liberals use your analogy instead of mine.
Nanny statists are not liberals.
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