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This team is just plain awful. The only consistently good play on offense comes from Bowe and Charles. Daboll is, I'm sure a great person, but an awful offensive coordinator. While I understand that trying to lead this team is "like trying to drive a car with 4 flat tires"... it is incomprehensible to me how he can misuse the little talent that he does have. Romeo was the right man for the job regarding Belcher. He is still not the guy to coach this team into playoff contention and a Super Bowl.

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Old 12-18-2012, 10:07 AM   #8131
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Well, Allen is a rookie who has been getting abused (showed improvement before Raiders game), Stephenson clearly isn't ready, and Lilja always gets raped by Oakland.

So that's 3 positions that will be different next year.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:17 AM   #8132
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I would also question the fact that against Oakland, when they were beating us inside, we kept running the ball where? You guessed it, inside.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:18 AM   #8133
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IMO, if Clark wants to be the type of owner we have all talked about, you can't have someone with absolute power, as we've seen what can happen.


Therefor, you bring in a HC and a GM, tell them "damn it, you two are gonna work together and we're gonna get this right" and roll from there.
I don't agree at all. CEOs with what you're calling "absolute power" run large organizations all over our country. It's the standard organizational model. IMO, it's a lot better to have one person in charge than it is to expect two to work together without one being able to have the final say. Ideally, the person in charge will be good at accepting input and forming consensus within the leadership of the organization but someone has to make the final decision. It can be the GM or the HC, but someone has to be the final say unless the owner is willing to referee disagreements.

I don't know who it was that said that Carl and Marty were peers, but that wasn't the case. Carl was the boss for most of their time together. Marty was reportedly given greater control over personnel at the end, but it's not clear to me what the arrangement was and it certainly didn't improve the product on the field.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:19 AM   #8134
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I would also question the fact that against Oakland, when they were beating us inside, we kept running the ball where? You guessed it, inside.
Yeah, that seemed weird to me.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:22 AM   #8135
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I don't agree at all. CEOs with what you're calling "absolute power" run large organizations all over our country. It's the standard organizational model. IMO, it's a lot better to have one person in charge than it is to expect two to work together without one being able to have the final say. Ideally, the person in charge will be good at accepting input and forming consensus within the leadership of the organization but someone has to make the final decision. It can be the GM or the HC, but someone has to be the final say unless the owner is willing to referee disagreements.

I don't know who it was that said that Carl and Marty were peers, but that wasn't the case. Carl was the boss for most of their time together. Marty was reportedly given greater control over personnel at the end, but it's not clear to me what the arrangement was and it certainly didn't improve the product on the field.
I think you kind of took my statement wrong, or I phrased it a little wrong.


The GM will make the personnel decisions, based on what the coach inputs to him that he wants and what he then thinks is the best. We have a huge disconnect here in that our current GM makes decisions seemingly not caring what the coach wants and what HE along thinks is best.

The NFL is a little different than big business, but you are right in that one guy will make the decision.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:31 AM   #8136
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It takes a certain kind of person to be an NFL head coach or NFL GM. I think they are INHERENTLY egomaniacs.

It's purely Machiavellian - absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You could bring in anybody you want but the minute you give him complete control, things get skewed. Maybe not to Pioli levels but they still get skewed.

The coach and GM HAVE to at least be peers or it is ultimately doomed to fail.


Meh, I don't know about all of that. In just about every organization ever, there's been a boss and a subordinate. And from a technical perspective, the GM is the boss. Because he's the manager. He's no different than a CEO is the boss of the COO CFO and whatever other divisions there are. If the GM is worth a ****, he'll let the coach coach, just like the CEO lets the CFO and COO run their business.

IMO, it is no different than a CEO. In order to be successful the GM needs to
  • Put his coach in a position to succeed (players, contracts, etc)
  • Allow him to be a manager (don't meddle like that cocksucking Pioli)
  • Hold them accountable for results over what they have control over.
  • Work together amicably.

All of which is like any other manager in the country. And there are good managers and shitty managers. Pioli was (you see what I did there, "was" ) a shitty manager.

I don't think it is wise to force a coach on a GM. Translated to the business world, that's like being a manager over someone you can't fire. That's not good for anybody.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:45 AM   #8137
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The GM, once the season starts, should really have nothing to do with the gameday, football things. He brings the players in, then lets the coach coach.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:54 AM   #8138
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I think you kind of took my statement wrong, or I phrased it a little wrong.


The GM will make the personnel decisions, based on what the coach inputs to him that he wants and what he then thinks is the best. We have a huge disconnect here in that our current GM makes decisions seemingly not caring what the coach wants and what HE along thinks is best.

The NFL is a little different than big business, but you are right in that one guy will make the decision.
Sorry. I misunderstood. I'm OK with giving either of them final say over personnel, it just depends on who they are. If Clark wants a veteran coach (like Cowher), I'm more comfortable with the idea of hiring a GM who will serve the decision-making coach. If he's more inclined to get a first-time coach, I'm more inclined to prefer a GM who makes the decisions with input from the coach.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #8139
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Yep, spot on there patteu.

We just have a huge void and problem with that right now, but it's about to be fixed.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:02 AM   #8140
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I don't think it is wise to force a coach on a GM. Translated to the business world, that's like being a manager over someone you can't fire. That's not good for anybody.
I'm not suggest your force a coach on the GM.

I'm suggesting the GM and head coach should be peers and work hand-in-hand.

To take your analogy further, Clark Hunt is the CEO. The GM is the CTO and the coach is the COO. The CTO creates the vision and acquires the "technical" pieces to accomplish the organizational vision. The COO carries out the plan and manages the operation. They're peers, independent and interdependent at the same time.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:04 AM   #8141
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If Clark wants a veteran coach (like Cowher), I'm more comfortable with the idea of hiring a GM who will serve the decision-making coach. If he's more inclined to get a first-time coach, I'm more inclined to prefer a GM who makes the decisions with input from the coach.
Whoa. That's too reasonable. Get that outta here!

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:12 AM   #8142
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I'm not suggest your force a coach on the GM.

I'm suggesting the GM and head coach should be peers and work hand-in-hand.

To take your analogy further, Clark Hunt is the CEO. The GM is the CTO and the coach is the COO. The CTO creates the vision and acquires the "technical" pieces to accomplish the organizational vision. The COO carries out the plan and manages the operation. They're peers, independent and interdependent at the same time.
I'm not disagreeing that they do markedly different tasks within the organization, but the fact is the GM hires the coach. I think what you are wanting is a GM who will let the coach coach. To that end I agree 100%. It is critical to the success of the organization that GM lets the coach do his job and not meddle like an obsessive ****.

I don't see any reason to believe Clark will now start hiring coaches to change that dynamic. And frankly, I don't think we want that. Clark isn't a football guy and doesn't immerse himself in the league enough to know the nuances between coaches, scheme, personnel, all that stuff. That'd be like me me picking drapes. I'm most likely to make a horrible decision. I may pick some out that strike some fancy with me, but the probability of them working with the design function of the room, or having any intrinsic functional use is low. I could luck out and make the right choice, but let's be real here. I'm gonna **** that up. Bad.

IMO, you pick a good GM. GM hires a good coach. Both do their jobs and work together. If a GM is incapable of that, he's not a good GM.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:19 AM   #8143
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Pioli has done a good job with the OL IMO.

Next year it's really gonna come together.

Albert, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah and Winston are gonna kick ass.
I don't know about that it doesn't seem they can pass block very well
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I don't know about that it doesn't seem they can pass block very well
I think that has a little more to do with who's taking the snap, than who's giving it.
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I don't know about that it doesn't seem they can pass block very well
Albert, Hudson, Asamoah and Winston are all excellent pass blockers.

Stephenson, Allen, and Lilja have not been this year, and weren't Sunday.
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